Turner Tronics

Some people who are working class are still being forced to go to food banks,while were on about it,i work for amey in sheffield town centre and see homeless people,people at salvation army,food banks ect and guess what.....none of the people are foreign all english people a lot have worked the majority of there life makes me sick

The Trooper 1815

iTrader: (31)

But how do foreign workers, who undercut UK workers (apparently), survive then?

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

If some of the stuff shown on TV is actually to be believed, possibly due to the living conditions they are willing to put up with. A programme on the other night reported that one group of over 20 were living under one roof together. Right or wrong, I'd guess most natives wouldn't want to live like that.

The Trooper 1815

iTrader: (31)

Because they are not on benefits to the same extent. Thankfully everything on TV is unbiased and not sensationalising everything, eh!

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

Eh?

I'm not saying TV is unbiased/not sensationalist. I merely mentioned something I saw on TV the other night and quite clearly clarified my point by saying 'IF some of the stuff shown is to be believed.......'

Even though I am perfectly aware that TV programmes often have an agenda, are you saying that what I mentioned doesn't happen?

And what are you on about regarding the extent of claiming? It might just be me, but I don't follow what you mean/who that comment is about??

paulr

A lot of them are made of sterner stuff, that's how. As a nation we are becoming weak minded.

dpb

It's true.

Looky how much time Bob Mugabe has for us now

Dingdongler

Did he??

That would be the only thing he has ever done that I respect

The Trooper 1815

iTrader: (31)

They are not allowed to claim as much in benefits, housing or otherwise. They make do with what they have and don't complain about their lack of space, iPhone, big telly, Sky HD etc.

"Natives" as you called them seem to be able to work the system to get what they want.

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

The Trooper, I don't really get why you seem to be coming at me with an argumentative attitude. You asked a question, I offered an explanation, to which it seemed like you were almost dismissing and in your last comment, you've pretty much said the same as what I said??? (i.e. immigrants aren't so bothered by living conditions, or at least what we 'natives' expect).

paulr

Really??

What people forget is that to go to another country to work, straight away it shows you have a certain level of get up and go. All the lazy ones will still be in Poland, Lithuania etc.

Also a Polish girl i know says can you stop calling them East European. Poland is in central Europe.

(I have, or do work with approx 20-30 non UK workers).

tony de wonderful

But not you of course. You are veritable Ubermensch. You must be so proud.

hodgy0_2

Maybe we need a war to really toughen us all back up again

That would be fun, the slaughter is always an issue, but people often look better in uniforms, so every cloud

paulr

I don't know what that means.

dpb

He stole it off his sociology lecturer

tony de wonderful

I mean it must be very difficult for you to live in a world with so many fallible, weak and 'all too human' people. It must be very hard for you existing on such a different plane?

zip106

Isn't it about time you went off to Syria to help fight with the oppressed?

Please.

Dingdongler

His mum won't let him.

RA Dunk

Really? I know for a fact some immigrants are more than capable of working the system to the max.

pslewis

Stop paying ALL benefits and see what falls out of the result ...... then award payments to the genuine after assessment.

The benefits bill will be halved within 6 months ... put the money into the NHS (for UK residents only).

Let's take Britain back for the Taxpayer ........

tony de wonderful

There's an argument that the welfare state really protects the rich and middle classes.

How else to keep the poor in line? Police and guns? That always fails in the end.

Back in the 19th and early 20th century...at the height of Capitalisms worst inequalities...there was much more radical politics and political unrest than now. Desperate people don't have so much to lose. There is no reason for them to tacitly agree with your social system.

pslewis

So, you are saying that we have to pay the poor so that they do not rise up and take all of our stuff and money off us?

tony de wonderful

I wouldn't put it so explicitly but there is probably some truth there.

pslewis

You could well be right ....