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Two bikers in the South West out for a run. One has a camera which captures several 150mph+ moments, and the bit where his mate does a risky overtake, gets clipped and killed
Yes, the Fiesta should've checked its mirrors, but the rider should also have used a bit of roadcraft and had an escape route before doing a 90+mph overtake.
Up until then, while the speeds were a bit excessive the riding standard didn't seem to be too bad. Of course we didn't get to see any bendy stuff, but nobody seemed to be riding without regard for anyone else. And with a tiny bit more attention that overtake would have been OK as well. Nobody was being inconvenienced or anything - just bikes making reasonable progress.
Just goes to show how a few seconds' inattention can end up...
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It makes very sad reading, it could be argued they were reckelss and speeding without doubt, making progress on a bike will always be looked upon by some as an accident waiting to happen.
At the end of the day this guy lost his life in full view of his best friend and with the read up, what was a harrowing scene, as SB says a little more attention and it would of just been an overtake.
I read about this in the Sun Online at it was horrific. Riding on public roads at speeds of up to 170mph is crazy. Most if not all other road users would have no idea of the bikes closing speed relative to theirs when glancing in a rear view mirror. I think the article mentions them speeding 30 times in 20 minutes which in itself is drawing too much attention to themselves. Don't get me wrong i have hit speeds on my bikes but i generally picked a suitable time and place, preferably with no other road users in close proximity.
I suppose they have both payed the ultimate price for an afternoon of 'risky' fun.
Be safe!
Nik.
The Verdict summed it up perfectly, no amount of punishment would ever equal seeing a childhood friend killed before your very eyes.
Personally i think the speed for the volume of traffic was a bit high, as mentioned above, a bike closing at 125+, if the car driver has a quick glance, it never gives a good impression of speed.
I'm sorry but strapping a camera to your bike so that it shows the speedo and then riding at those kind of speeds shows some serious intent. I accept that the riding of the guy on the camera bike was not too bad but the accident was a result of utter stupidity, no doubt encouraged by the fact that the guy knew he was being filmed.
My sympathies are with the drivers of the other vehicles involved and anyone else that witnessed it.
Its very sad, but their riding was out of order, had they have gone out for an almost legal ride his mate would still be alive.
I'm a biker of many years and some of the crazy riding I see when I'm out is almost unbelievable. No wonder we have such a poor reputation.
What with this kind of videod evidence, race speeds on busy public roads and loud cans we can expect to continue to looked at by the police and authorities.
No sympathy for the bikers at all, The only sympathy i have is with the poor s0ds who witnessed it ...Imagine being involved in that & getting out of your car/camper van & finding a head a torso & some legs <shudders> & the poor s0ds who have to clean up after them or inform the relatives (& at 42 & 46 you'd think they'd know better ...or at least consider their kids ffs!)
As for the fiesta driver "should've checked its mirrors" & "the speed for the volume of traffic was a bit high" ...I'm sorry but that just doesn't wash, if you're going to operate well outside the law & what the average motorist (& lets face it, the average driving standard isn't great) expects, then it's your fault & your fault alone ...a driver just isn't going to expect or be for looking for you to be doing what appears to be well over the legal limit (100+?)
The only consolation is that Mr Prowse managed to wipe himself out rather than taking someone else with him
Daz, get off your high horse for a moment and look at things in context. When they were really nailing it there was, in all honesty, little risk to anyone - the roads were open and all the riding we saw appeared to be reasonably considerate. Yes, it was fast but that in itself isn't necessarily dangerous or irresponsible - something I believe we have agreed on in the past. The collision occurred at a relatively low speed under circumstances that anyone who rides bikes in traffic will be reasonably familiar with - filtering.
Was it a smart overtake? Obviously not - the Fiesta was indicating though it would be questionable as to whether it was an intentional indication or an absent minded one. A bit marginal where the Fiesta was going to go, but with the performance available on a bike you lose nothing by hanging back for a second and seeing how things pan out. Look at the speedo - we're not talking overtakes at a vast margin above the limit when the collision took place. The rest is academic because had the collision not happened nobody would be any the wiser.
Bottom line. Yes, the rider made a mistake and paid for it. And yes, the experience for those attending, whether professionally or otherwise would have been horrific (been there, done that, not nice). Nobody is disputing that. But other than that 1 second of inattention, the rest of the ride (as we saw on film) wasn't, in my opinion, any more dangerous than a lot of the behaviour we see on the roads every day at far lower speeds.
SB
PS The really damning thing is the fact that they went out to film the ride. That, in my experience, is just asking for trouble because people do large it up for the camera...
I've got no problem with them using speed where appropriate & just endangering themselves ...although, it could be argued that even then it can cost us- how much resource does it take to clean up an rtc & fatality?
But i'd argue that at the point of impact they're reaching 100mph+ whilst filtering (what's the Fiesta doing? 60? & that's being generous) that's not just irresponsible & reckless ...it's pretty much suicidal
I see a lot more dangerous riding than that every weekend round my way (brecon beacons) the guys involved have payed the ultimate price, and by watching the last few seconds of the clip it makes me think how easy and quickly it could all go very wrong, and it could really happen to any 1 of us
170mph on the public highway isn't just 'a bit high' though is it? ...what's the highest recorded biker ticket? 157mph??
You could take the 'bit high' as you like, it could be interpreted as anything, you've obviously interpreted it as i'm saying he's going 10mph to fast.
So i apologise Mr Perfect Little Angel who's never done wrong.
Up until then, while the speeds were a bit excessive the riding standard didn't seem to be too bad. Of course we didn't get to see any bendy stuff, but nobody seemed to be riding without regard for anyone else. And with a tiny bit more attention that overtake would have been OK as well. Nobody was being inconvenienced or anything - just bikes making reasonable progress.
Just goes to show how a few seconds' inattention can end up...
SB
also, if the car driver was a bike rider and saw the bike approaching , do you think they would attempted to pull out ??
as a bike rider if i see one like them approaching i know there approach speed can be miss read in a mirror so i usually wait rather than pull across them, i myself have had cars pull across me and they've seen me, some just turn into traffic officers or hate the fact they are stuck in traffic and the bike isn't
1 >Its very sad, but their riding was out of order, had they have gone out for an almost legal ride his mate would still be alive.<
2 >I'm a biker of many years and some of the crazy riding I see when I'm out is almost unbelievable. No wonder we have such a poor reputation.<
3 >What with this kind of videod evidence, race speeds on busy public roads and loud cans we can expect to continue to looked at by the police and authorities.<
1 how can you know that??
2 the car driving i see is much worse, its not linked to speed so doesn't get the hype of bike crashes with "speed kills" answer to everything!!
3 videos on youtube have just highlighted the speeds, hasn't done anyone anygood. i haven't used loud exhausts for a while but i think they work at getting you noticed by car drivers usually busy texting or messing/talking to someone/thing !!they don't have to see you!!
a loud exhaust on this bike may well have made it clearer to the car driver the bikes approach speed??
As for the fiesta driver "should've checked its mirrors" & "the speed for the volume of traffic was a bit high" ...I'm sorry but that just doesn't wash, if you're going to operate well outside the law & what the average motorist (& lets face it, the average driving standard isn't great) expects, then it's your fault & your fault alone ...a driver just isn't going to expect or be for looking for you to be doing what appears to be well over the legal limit (100+?)
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well you've got 1 thing right, the driving standard of car drivers!! and i feel most drive without a care for whats going on around them wouldn't care about bikes as they think car versus bike , car driver is safe
on a recent run out with a car club round some country lanes a pheasant run across in front of the leading car (subaru was going at a "decent" pace )
it wiped the scoop off the car on its way to heaven, but as it was a car nothing major, if it was a bike that hit the pheasant theres a good chance there could of been a crash, what would be the attitude of some of you them ??? idiot biker speeding??? if so please label the car exactly the same!!
on the returning roads we ended up on a very similar road to the bike crash and all involved were overtaking like the bikes!!!
only difference a large square is easier to see in the rear view mirror
But i'd argue that at the point of impact they're reaching 100mph+ whilst filtering (what's the Fiesta doing? 60? & that's being generous) that's not just irresponsible & reckless ...it's pretty much suicidal
what if the car driver checks rear and drivers side mirrors sees the bike approaching (headlight ablaze!!) at warp factor 9 and decides to stay inline , what would be the outcome?? no crash??
alternatively, the bike is approaching at legal speeds , goes to overtake the car , the car indicates but hasn't seen the bike and pulls out clipping him , whats the outcome?? a crash?? a death??
its hard to judge watching the video how close the bike was before the car pulls out, thats why i think the bike try's to go round rather than anchor up , and by the time the car indicates they are making the manuoevre , i thought it was mirror signal manuoevre?? how many times have you approached people in cars that have actually started the manuoevre before signalling i've even heard people say that on motorways they indicate and pull out hoping the car in the outside lane lets them in as they can't use mirrors at motorway speeds and i don't think this is rare!! look at the accidents caused and were!! imagine approaching such a person at 100ishmph in the fast lane of the motorway in your car !! you would be at fault in a crash
To suggest that riding at 250 feet per second (just try to imagine that) on public roads is clever, safe, OK or sensible is just stupid. The guys were passing a line of other vehicles at the point where they were travelling at 170 mph. Any one of these could have pulled even after looking. When something is catching you up at 120 mph faster than your travelling there's not much warning. (not even a loud can is going to help you).
Its a tragic loss of a life. I feel desperately sorry for the riders family, friends and those others involved in the accident.
But their riding was well out of order and was only likely to end in tears on such heavy populated roads.
I ride a lot and you have to act as if every one else is out to get you. Their riding was totally irresponsible on public roads where the traffic was quite clearly considerable.
My loved ones have to use the roads and I dont want selfish idiots like this out on the highway putting them at any more risk, the roads are a dangerous place anyway.
But the way bloody bikers come screaming past my house ( a 40MPH) in excess of 100-120mph, then I have no sympathy for them because sooner or later they will either kill themselves or someone else. In fact a biker got killed just a few weeks ago on a similar road only 2 minutes away from our house. Why ? Because he was was doing over 120MPH and hit a car.
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Dont judge all the same .He wasnt doing 150 when that happened.
His fault yes but no sympathy is harsh
As I said before it is no sympathy because he had proved in that video that he was prepared to risk his life and those around him. A terrible shame as maybe he drove like a perfect biker all the other 99.9% time he was on the bike and was just unlucky this 1% but we all know that isnt true because noone could attain those speeds and ride like that if they had never done it before.
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One less tit on the road. So they got to 170mph big deal on a public road is insain what about the bloke he hit up the arse at nearly a ton. There is a time and place for speeding its called a race track. Everyone breakes the speed limit to a certain extent but 170mph!!!!!!
I cant beleive I'm reading these comments in a BIKERS part of the forum,
a fellow motorcyclist has past away because of an accident ffs,
the guy didnt die from doing 170 on a straight road, he died from not giving himself time to react to a car not seeing him, he was in the wrong place at the wrong time,
the police released the high speed footage and cut to the accident for a reason
why dont all the high and mighty log onto a cyclist website and campaign against motorcyclists and have done with it,
ah and if you have a motorcycle, please sell it before you have an accident,
I've reviewed the footage and I think the poor guy that died got caught up in the moment as he had just undertaken...... his mate as he approached the "accident point" and I think he didn't see the car in front of the car that swiped him. Saying all that, the speeds being shown on the cam on a public highway with the amount of traffic on the roads made me feel uncomfortable.
I wouldn't have been travelling at those speeds. As I see it, he's been unlucky but he's also been riding in a way that compounds being unlucky. At the end of the day he died and no-one would want to see that in reality. He made "some" mistakes and he paid with his life.
Its easy to review the tape and say he shouldn't have done this and that but everyone has probably done something whilst riding and thought "yep I shouldnt have really done that"......and got away with it. He didn't
I can understand why his friend didn't get an immediate ban. Its a sad waste of life and no-one involved in this is going to feel good about the situation.
All we can do as riders is take note and learn something from the video..........
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As far as I can tell from the footage the bike actually hit the rear quarter of the car, looks to me like it was fairly obvious the car was going to move out (even without the flashing yellow lighy on the side of it). Sad situation for all involved but if the biker had not been over taking on a hatched marking at well in excess of the speed limit (40mph at least) he would still be alive.
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Its very sad, particularly for those left behind and so unecessary in this case. I've been riding bikes for over 40 years including a spell racing, these two were not riding with others in mind. I dont think it's what he deserved, no one should end up like that, but the irresponsibility of their riding was difficult to believe in what was considerable traffic.
I can still find quiet roads with little or no traffic on them where its less dangerous to ride a little more quickly.
But you have to ride these days as if every one is out to get you. The loss of this life was tragic but not surprising considering they didnt factor in average Joe the motorist. Want to ride like that? Then go on track days.
What I do despair about is that a few other bikers dont think they were doing anything wrong. Whilst we have motorcyclists with attitudes like that we can continue to see motorcycling becoming unacceptable to the general public, the government and the police. Expect more and more stringent rules, capped horse power like they do in France, limited engine size, more difficulties put in the way of obtaining al licence etc etc .......
I can see this leading to more Police crackdowns
his mate as he approached the "accident point" and I think he didn't see the car in front of the car that swiped him. Saying all that, the speeds being shown on the cam on a public highway with the amount of traffic on the roads made me feel uncomfortable.
