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Old 01 July 2009, 10:22   #1 (permalink)
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Default Yep, it's that time of year - decking questions...

I have been pondering on how to do this for some time, outside the back of my house there is a great big slab of concrete that joins into a great big slab of concrete making a path right down the garden, - it's rank.

The bit at the back comes out I would say about three foot then the grass starts. My first idea was to lay the joist for the decking at one end straight on the concrete then sink some posts in the garden to secure the other ends to, I hope your still with me.

This seems like a lot of sodding about so.... My new idea is to shutter it up and extend the concrete slab, then just sit the joist straight on the slab.

I will be having concrete delivered shortly anyway as I'm doing a shed base so the cost should be minimal.



The main question is, with the whole weight of the wood etc, do I have to secure it to the concrete or will it be fine just sat on top?

I will be coming out about 3 meters and going across 5 meters, would I lay the decking across of down away from the house?


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Also do you have any recommendations on where to actually get the decking from?
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It will probably self-locate, but may lift/warp etc, so bolting down would be an idea.

Wickes are good for decking at the mo.
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It will probably self-locate, but may lift/warp etc, so bolting down would be an idea.

Wickes are good for decking at the mo.


I was hoping that wasn't going to be the answer, so I'm assuming I will need bolts for this I cant remember what they are called the ones to use for concrete?
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dont forget to do it at 45' angle.
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dont forget to do it at 45' angle.
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I was hoping that wasn't going to be the answer, so I'm assuming I will need bolts for this I cant remember what they are called the ones to use for concrete?
Sleeve anchors?
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Nice one.

Silly question, but I don't suppose a load of no nails would do the job would it?
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Don't know if they make an exterior version of No Nails, indoors though I'll only use it for skirting, architraves, and usually squirt a bit on curtain rail battens to stick the middle in place but still have screws at each end!

So to stick down a hoofing great deck I would say no! Just borrow / hire a decent SDS hammer drill and fit some anchors into the concrete. It's not that difficult
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As long as it is on a basically flat surface there is absolutely no need to secure the deck to the slab. The weight alone will located it. Seriously think about the total weight of the decking.
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Seconded to YVM.

No need to anchor down at all. The total weight with joists and deck wont ever move.

Put lots of noggins in to stiffen up the main frame before laying deck boards. This will ensure a stiff frame and no movement.

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Ok thanks guys, started digging out today for both the shed base and the slab extension, foof me that's hard work.

Should have it finished tomorrow, then will start building up the shuttering for the concrete, hope this goes OK as I haven't done anything like this before.
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Personaly I wouldnt sit the joists on the slab, water will wick into the frame and shorten the life of the timber, raising it even an inch will eliminate this. I would raise it all on 4in posts seated directly into bolt down anchors. Timber will always move, regardless of the weight, belt and braces with decking, cutting corners will leave the deck looking sh1t in a year or two fix it down at every opportunity.

Then again, I do this for a living and dont want customers coming back to me with problems so I tend to go a little OTT. Then again, if its worth doing, its worth doing right!
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Personaly I wouldnt sit the joists on the slab, water will wick into the frame and shorten the life of the timber, raising it even an inch will eliminate this. I would raise it all on 4in posts seated directly into bolt down anchors. Timber will always move, regardless of the weight, belt and braces with decking, cutting corners will leave the deck looking sh1t in a year or two fix it down at every opportunity.

Then again, I do this for a living and dont want customers coming back to me with problems so I tend to go a little OTT. Then again, if its worth doing, its worth doing right!

Trouble is I am tight on how high I can go, as the step for the French doors will be tight even as it is, I would have to smash out tonnes and tonnes of concrete to get round this problem.
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Ah that sucks. What size timber were you planning on using? If 6in then you could drop to 4in with no problems and get the air gap.
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Ah that sucks. What size timber were you planning on using? If 6in then you could drop to 4in with no problems and get the air gap.
I was going to use 2X4 for the joists, or bearers??? Not sure what they are called then just lay the decking straight on top of that, all timber underneath the decking will be treated prior to laying as well.
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