steviechi

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Hi all,

Just had new Exedy stage1 organic clutch and lightened flywheel fitted to my 2005 WRX wagon and have 2 issues...
First is a serious judder when engaging gears and pulling off. Told it was due to the higher friction material grabbing more and will bed in after 500 miles.

Second is very high biting point - higher than the old clutch that came off.. told they tried 2 flywheels and this was the higher of the 2. Also told the biting point will lower once everything beds in.

Company says they have tried 2 clutches and 2 different flywheels...

Part numbers on the Exedy boxes are
CC ASY = FC04T
CD ASY = FD08H

Anyone with similar experiences of Exedy Stage1 organic clutches with lightened flywheels?

Planning on doing 500 miles next weekend to see if its true and if not returning the car for a new clutch..


So to save people reading through this thread in the future just thought I'd add how problem was fixed....

Eclipse (who did the work) left the car with
No clutch return spring
Pedal adjustment 'totally miles out and not adjusted anywhere near correctly'
Clutch arm bent (maybe because they admitted to not knowing about the adjustment)
Flywheel cheap rubbish had loads of high spots which are showing in the picture as heat spots.
http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/24296501
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Clutch cover and plate (after 7 weeks and 1000 miles) - NO LAUNCHES EVER MADE WITH THIS CLUTCH
http://s1295.beta.photobucket.com/us...31213.jpg.html

But then the clutch cover plate was RUSTY (after 7 weeks and less than 1000 miles)
http://s1295.beta.photobucket.com/us...2c731.jpg.html
http://s1295.beta.photobucket.com/us...5a501.jpg.html

Suspect this may be a cheap copy or s/h clutch fitted by ECLIPSE of Sunderland or maybe 'bought of E-bay clutch and flywheel kit'

Resolution will be take parts to Exedy and see if these are the parts I was charged for

But then the same company that fitted the flywheel and clutch (Eclipse of Sunderland) also did lots of other great jobs at the same time

New timing belt - also 7 weeks old - and that is wear mark on the flat surface where covers fitted wrongly wearing away the belt...
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http://s1295.beta.photobucket.com/us...cabe7.jpg.html
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And the amount of worn out belt shown around the pulleys
http://s1295.beta.photobucket.com/us...bd9e3.jpg.html

Oh yes and while you are at it can you damage my timing pulleys please
http://s1295.beta.photobucket.com/us...bd9e3.jpg.html

And break a bit off the bell housing
http://s1295.beta.photobucket.com/us...4ed99.jpg.html

Thank you again ECLIPSE of SUNDERLAND for the quality work !

And how was it fixed....
I drove several cars all with Exedy clutches fitted by another garage in the North East of England and all smooth and peachy, so call me mad but went for same clutch but H1-anti judder version (as per the experts from Aztec and ASPerformance recommended) and even with only 5 miles under its belt its running smooth and my babies bum, with my OEM flywheel checked and flat.

OK so I lost £1400 because I didn't let Eclipse near my car again to repair to problems
1) their poor initial selection of parts USE THE H1 CLUTCH FROM AZTEC OR AS PERFORMANCE or APPROVED EXEDY supplier / the crap lightened flywheel (remeber they said they had tried two - so all of the flywheels must be the same high quality.
2) their fitting (if they did fit the correct items)
3) the other work they did...

TIZERBOY

iTrader: (1)

I have the same problem mate,, got an Exedy pink box clutch and light weight flywheel judders like mad setting off and coming down gears so went back and they fitted the same again still the same,,,, Exedy clutcher are crap mate.......

BRAVEHEART_STI

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the flywheel must be flat for a start

if u use a second hand flywheel and a new clutch it will judder as they are not mated correctly , a skim or just bed it in should solve it

whoever changed the flywheel just to change the bitting point id get the car away from there lol as the clutch pedal has adjustment for this ( look underneath and you will see for yourself )

if u want to alter the bitting point adjust the apropriate bracket on teh pedal

if u want no judder a new or skimmed flywheel would have been a must also they do require bedding in also

TIZERBOY

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Had 2 new flywheels and clutch's,,,, both times,, was told to give em 500 miles to bed in!! And both time still bloody juddering,,,,, exedy pink box anti-Judder clutch's are crap they don't like light weight flywheels,,,,,

BRAVEHEART_STI

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tbh im not a fan of them either but i have fitted 20+ of them lol and never had judder problems

maybe u should speak to who's fitting them for u ( no offence )

ive fitted a few with lightweight flywheels aswell with no problems

tbh for the money theyre not too shabby , me personally would opt for something else but theyre the clutch of choice for power vs price

Orangio

Hmmm i've got a pink box sat here that I was going to get fitted in the next week or so with a lightened flywheel... You're making me think whether or not to bother fitting it now lol

Tony Harrington

iTrader: (8)

What do ppl recommend in terms of make of clutch for general everyday use & some B road use?

TIZERBOY

iTrader: (1)

Got the 6 speed Exedy pink box anti-judder clutch and billet flywheel from Lateral performce and was fitted by Scoobyword and was told to let it bed in around 500 miles,,, but 500 miles on still judded so called mark at Lateral and scoobyworld and they told me to bring it back where they fitted another 6 speed Exedy pink and this time a competition light weight flywheel and 1500 miles on still judders......... well pi**ed off........

Dave Y

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i have a similar set up but a 5 speed and guess what.....it judders

Orangio

I can imagine fella

You're making me think twice about putting my pink box in now..

BRAVEHEART_STI

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if u run standard power ( ish ) then tbh a standard exedy clutch should do

TIZERBOY

iTrader: (1)

Exedy pink box clutch are crap they don't like light weight flywheels... 2 new clutch's and 2 new flywheel's on what can i say,,,
I'm thinking about bining the Exedy clutch and getting a competition clutch to match the flywheel mate...

TIZERBOY

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power is 320bhp but put exedy pink box in because there good for 400bhp and was going for around that mark.....

fawor

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got my done there to -5speed pink and now is ok, only little whinning noise after pressing clutch
at the beginning i could not even drive with it,i felt like im first time driver,tried move and cut engine,start it again my leg was shaking
at 1st and 3rd gear after depressng clutch i feel something hit a gearbox
and whinning noise,

TurboAD

My pink box has just started slipping after 10k and judders when setting off up hill, only running 280bhp max. Don't no what to do don't fancy another if its going to be same!!

steviechi

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Hi

Supposedly was fitted with new clutch and new lightened flywheel

And yes the adjustment under the clutch pedal was miles off causing some problems + clutch return spring not fitted correctly.

The Sunderland based tuner (who fitted the clutch and did timing belt change at the same time) have offered to exchange the clutch and flywheel for another. I may give them this opportunity as I am quite litigious and the best way to succeed in the small claims court (and thus get the money back for someone to do the job 'correctly') is to give them a 2nd opportunity to fix the problem.

I am expecting some initial judder - but have requested an H1 (non-judder) version to be fitted, and stipulated biting point needs to be 'mid point' or lower. If its not I'll take it to Alyn at AS Performance to fix and make a small claims court claim for the cost against Exxxxxxx who fitted.

Not sure if I can / will accept the noise during coasting with no throttle between 2-3k revs as I didn't realise how often I coast the car until you sound like a cement mixer when you do. Anyone else have this problem with Exedy and lightened flywheels (there are some stories like this on USA sites).

savage bulldogs

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I bought 3pink boxes from mark at lateral, top fella quality service and product .fitted them myself (sprayed with brake cleaner on assembly and went easy on the thrust race grease ) All 5speed classics
mine 280bhp ish skimmed oe flywheel
v1wrx 320 bhp second hand lightend exedy fly
v1sti 345bhp oe skimmed fly
all with no judder at all and oe pedal feel even after 1.5 k and 2dyno remap s
wouldn't have thought there's a problem with the product imo

TIZERBOY

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Hay mate no saying anything bad about mark at lateral or scoobyworld both was good with me ,,, just think there's something still not right,,, if there was any play in the engine n gearbox mounts, or any play in the center prop shaft mount would that make it judder?????

steviechi

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Requested skimmed OE flywheel but recommended lighweight instead.
Must either the inconsistency in the Exedy product or bad fitting.
I'll get another one fitted and find out.

So Mt Bulldogs - you never had judder even during bedding in ?

TIZERBOY

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had 2 NEW light weight flywheels and 2 NEW Exedy pink box ant-judder clutcher's fitted and both times still juddered................

Davey96wrx

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They are a great clutch. Just fitted one at home over Xmas with the help of Adz off 22b. They need to be fitted correctly, that means properly aligned and using the supplied grease on the splines. A new spigot bearing is needed aswell.

Mine went perfectly to be honest, not a hint of judder, drives like a std unit and takes up well.

Either they didn't fit it correctly or there is a fault.

Tons of people use this clutch and its very popular for a reason, it works.

TIZERBOY

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Did you fit a new light weight flywheel mate.....

KAS35RSTI

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You can adjust the clutch pedal. Regarding the judder, just ride it few times & it will settle, or give it a few launches

TIZERBOY

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Never launched it all the time its been in maybe need to,,, how do you adjust the clutch pedel mate??

Davey96wrx

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Not new a good condition used Exedy 5.75kg one that I had an engineering company surface ground so nice and flat.

Not entirely convinced by the run it in brigade, don't go mad on first take off but I personally think give it a good seeing to early on, couple of launches is all that should be needed if everything has a datum face (flat)

KAS35RSTI

iTrader: (73)

Just on top behind the clutch pedal there is an adjuster.

New clutches do take a little while to bed in, plus most Exedy models suffer from judder. Commonly happens when cold & pulling off in 1st.

TIZERBOY

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Cheers mate will take alook tomorrow,,,

TurboAD

They are supposed to be anti judder?

wrx271

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What clutch came out the car was it a daikin

Cannon Fodder

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I've got a pink box Exedy in my Spec C so a 6 speed, the car is running just over 400/400 and I've never had a problem with it.

I took no special procedure to run it in and it performs flawlessly, I had it fitted with a skimmed OE flywheel.

I'll be changing it shortly due to upping the power to 500bhp and I wouldn't like to try it out at that much power but I've heard of people running similar levels of power on these clutches, as long as you don't do drag/hard launches on them.