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Driving Dynamics Driving techniques (trail braking, power slides, donuts, scandinavian flicks, etc), and vehicle dynamics (roll centres, c/g weigh transfer, etc)

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Old 17 April 2007, 20:07   #1
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Default Difference in driving style in a STI compared to an Evo

Just wondering if driving style should be altered slightly with driving a scooby sti compared to the electronic gadgetery of the evo?

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Old 30 June 2007, 12:19   #2
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yep - every car is different IMO
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Old 30 June 2007, 17:18   #3
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yeer evo's are pants

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Old 30 June 2007, 17:49   #4
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the hawkeye has very similar electronic gadgetry to the evo but all cars handle differently, the evo is very good handling car - better than the subaru I have to say IMO.
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Old 30 June 2007, 18:04   #5
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your best throwing the evo in and it sorts it out, most scoobies take some driving skill which is why I bought 1 over a Evo.
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Old 02 July 2007, 05:29   #6
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I found it the other way around.

I found the evo a lot more willing sideways, whereas the wrx was more of a plough, you swing its weight one way, it continues to move that way, hesitant to change directions. Behaves more like a front driver than evo. I could not handle the evo on mud where the wrx simply ploguhed through so I bought the wrx instead (yes my driving skills are modest to say the least). If I was more controlled with my opposite lock, I'd had taken the evo.
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Old 17 July 2007, 01:17   #7
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evo=yes sit back and let the evo drive u aka pants
scooby=drive it as your in control
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Old 20 July 2007, 17:41   #8
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Thats easy!

Hammer both, wait for the Scooby's engine to go pop then drive the Evo and wait for the Evo's gearbox to break
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Old 21 July 2007, 15:08   #9
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all you need to do in a ayc equipped evo is steer no over/understeer or weight transfer like the scoob. just keep you foot planted until all 4 tyres start smoking and you start 4wheel drifting towards the kerb you can hit some serious cornering speeds and every thing is so focused and acurate but it does get a bit boring not being able to play with the weight of the car like the scoob.

also find the scoobs to be a bit boaty with fast direction change where as the evo would change direction as fast as you could turn the wheel.

my 05 sti with prodrive springs, adccd, whitline antiroll bars and powerstation setup still wouldnt touch my old evo6 round the twistys.

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Old 27 July 2007, 10:04   #10
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Evo's are quicker unless you REALLY know what you're doing. I always tend to trust Tim Schrick, IMO one of the best road testers on the planet at the moment and a pretty successful DTM guy. He is faster in an STI over varied terrain, but not by much.

As for driving style, it's pretty hard to put into words as it's alot about feel. IMO Evo's aren't much quicker but they FEEL alot quicker. Subarus feel quite planted and safe (unless you're braking hard - OMG - LOL), whereas I find Evos feel a bit floaty but better/pointier on direction changes. With my scoob, I can tell when it's going to break traction and at what end, and I can mess around with it a bit. In an Evo, it feels like the whole thing lets go and the gadgets are taking you round the corner - don't adjust anything just floor it and steer. At least the Evo doesn't understeer like the scoobs.

Both are amazing cars and the Evo probably has a slight edge for the average driver. I still think the scooby, even my lowly WRX PPP, feels MILES better. But then this is ScoobyNet, what did you expect?

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Old 11 January 2008, 07:59   #11
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I have had the fortune of driving EVO 6 (Tommi Mak) 7/8/9 regular. I Own STI 8 PPP. All mentioned cars are fantastic. However, For driving reward then there is nothing better than getting the STI on the ragged edge and keeping it there. The Evo in standard form displays very little understeer meaning beginners and newly qualified drivers can drive fairly quickly fairly soon with predictable oversteer (Much easier to control and rectify) The scoobs has a tendency to understeer which requires more often than not driving skills or technique (Like scandinavian flick) to unsettle the car whilst you balance it using the throttle. This in turn means you find yourself entering corners a little quicker than you might feel comfortable with and committing 100% (This can and will bite you at some point) The end result fairly equal performance with completely different technique. (well it would be boring if they were both thye same, wouldnt it!)
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In real life testing, admittedly not by me, but comparing evo to 2006 sti, the following was recorded:

Red arrows represent lift/downforce at air flow of 144km/h
Blue arrows represent lift/downforce at air flow of 200km/h
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This shows the downforce on the car at speed compared to an evo. It demonstrates that the car is engineered to go light at the front with speed and thus create more understeer as this is acknowledged as being the safest for normal use. It also shows that the rear spoiler/roof spoiler/improved under floor panelling and diffuser on the 2006 STi are actually functional items.
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Very interesting info that
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Old 11 January 2008, 21:26   #14
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With the V Ltd front lip spoiler the front downforce is increased
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Old 13 January 2008, 15:29   #15
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Thats easy!

Hammer both, wait for the Scooby's engine to go pop then drive the Evo and wait for the Evo's gearbox to break

haha in my experinace, evo's rear diff/ayc system, gearbox and bottom end to all let go LoL!


I Had an evo before my wrx, was nice to drive tho a very stiff ride, handling was something else, loved going sideways and gripped well, best car driven tho you couldnt make a mistake in it as the ayc sorted it all out which got a bit boaring, now the wrx is much more of a drivers car, although it dosent go sideways as much ( prob due to the power difference) itis in the drivers control, can feel the car more and are in a lot more contol of it to the evo...

in my opinion, scoob was the best decission
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Interesting info that Dynamix, nice one.

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With the V Ltd front lip spoiler the front downforce is increased
Very true. I fitted my front lip spoiler this week and the first time I took the car out, the difference was quite noticeable even at 60mph. Keeps the nose down very well on bumpy roads ... and let's face it, looks cool too
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If it does the business then sweet, I got mine because it really finishes the front end of a Hawkeye off.

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If it does the business then sweet, I got mine because it really finishes the front end of a Hawkeye off.

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thats why I bought mine but it does have a purpose aswell
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thats why I bought mine but it does have a purpose aswell
Your motor looks good mate, just had a peek, like the graphics/decals.

What bhp/torque are you running at the moment?

Future mods?

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Old 14 January 2008, 13:21   #21
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Thanks

Currently running at around 400/420.

Current plans are underway .... http://bbs.scoobynet.com/projects-40...ck-2008-a.html
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Blimey you aren't doing things by half are you!

Thats a pretty impressive spec and I imagine an impressive outlay.

I know figures are irrelevant to a certain extent but what are you hoping for after the work has been completed?

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The final figure doesnt ultimately matter to me but will be around 500 bhp/500 lb/ft (on pump fuel) depending on how we decide to map it, what fuel I use and what rev limit I stick on it. But it will be over 400 lb/ft from 3k to redline - which is fairly nice

Not bad for a shopping car
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Interesting topic
Pretty much what I suspected, & why Im not getting an evo!
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Old 28 February 2008, 15:10   #25
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I have never read so much bollox in all my life *shakes head*

Duncan is the only one with some sensible input.
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Cheers Ross

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all you need to do in a ayc equipped evo is steer no over/understeer or weight transfer like the scoob.
Just spotted this gemlet.

How exactly does the EVO get around weight transfer with an AYC?
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