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Typical, got my Scooby just under a month ago, and it replaced this:
Had it a year and half and the flippin' thing never even saw sleet, now look what we've got! :[ Although trying to stop 2.5 tons when it doesn't want to is not fun :/
Pyro, oyour scooby is just as capable on snowy roads as the landy, just don't drive in a ditch ;-)
Albeit RE70s aren't as good in snow as a general m+s jeep tyre wintertyres are probably cheeper and are way better on the snowy road you'll encounter on the way to work.
Adam K thanks for info. What specefic tyres would you recommend for my Hawkeye, currently on RE070's in the snow!!!. I would imagine non studded snow tyres rather than just winter tyres for this weather. And if so what brand do you think is good & not too expensive & are 15" or 16" better than e.g 17" & thinner better?
Thanks.
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Adam K thanks for info. What specefic tyres would you recommend for my Hawkeye, currently on RE070's in the snow!!!. I would imagine non studded snow tyres rather than just winter tyres for this weather. And if so what brand do you think is good & not too expensive & are 15" or 16" better than e.g 17" & thinner better?
Thanks.
Winter tyres are fine. Snow tyres are a bit extreme for the UK!
I'm currently using Pirelli Sottozero's and have been very impressed so far! Extremely good snow performance considering their size (235/45R17) and very quiet for a winter tyre too! Nokians seem to be a popular choice in the UK, but I've no personal experience.
The normal rule of thumb with winter tyres is to go 1" less on the wheel size and 10mm less on the tyre width e.g. summer=225/40R18, winter=215/45R17! Saying that, as there is not normally that much snow in the UK, keeping the same size as the summer tyres should be OK!
Rickya,
Like BMWhere says. Chose the smallest rim you can fit, give chance to both narrower tyre and are usually cheaper too. For UK deffo studfree, don't even think your allowed studded.
Recommendation, basicly from reading tests every winter:
The newest Nokian Hakkapelitta R/RSI or Gislaved soft frost (this year it's 3) you can get your hands on. They are both expensive, but always in top.
Godd luck out there
I have been using Michelin Alpin Sport PA3 as well without any problems. Going over to Norway in a few days to drive on a frozen lake, looking forward to it!
I have been using Michelin Alpin Sport PA3 as well without any problems. Going over to Norway in a few days to drive on a frozen lake, looking forward to it!
I had a set of the PA2's (225/17) and wasn't very happy with them in snow but I believe the PA3's are a big improvement.
Have also used Dunlop Winter Sport's (215/17) and was very impressed with them! The Sottozero's are the best I've ever driven though! Drive better in snow with 235/17 profile than the Dunlops!
It comes down to experience i think, the more you drive in the snow the better you get to know your car in the snow. Too much power can sometimes be the problem.
I have Toyo winter tyres on, put on in November swapped in April. i drive over the Cat & Fiddle everyday including yesterday and today in an Impreza GX. i used to drive a Punto over the Cat in all weathers too, light car, narrow tyres.
my car is fab in the snow, but you have to be careful, you are not invincible.
that's just my humble opinion having driven over the Cat everyday for 10 years. 6 of those in a scoob.
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I can't believe all these posts about Imprezas in the snow and how to handle them when they have no grip...
You lot must have missed Jasonius's thread on a low grip training day at Rockingham. We had trouble finding enough people to make it a go-er, but we made it in the end. That would be the place to find out how your car reacts to zero grip..!!
Would'nt it be better to have narrower wheels & tyres as they do with the wrc cars when they race on snow & ice stages so they cut through the ice and get some grip rather than spread across the top and slide all over the place.
Andy,
Yes, read all advices above regarding tyres! Unfortunately most manufacturers put allowed dimensions for their cars within a very narrow margin, ie as wide as the summer tyres they are delivered with. And following that the tyre manufacturers only produce even winter tyres in similar dimensions.
Would'nt it be better to have narrower wheels & tyres as they do with the wrc cars when they race on snow & ice stages so they cut through the ice and get some grip rather than spread across the top and slide all over the place.
It would only be better if you were driving the entire winter on Snow and Ice. In the UK, you're only going to get a handful of snow days per year, so its better to have an all round winter tyre. The general rule of thumb for winter tyres is to step down 1" on the wheel size and 10mm on the tyre width e.g. 225/18 -> 215/17 on a new age or 215/17 -> 205/16 on a classic!
I fitted my MY98 WRX with a DCCD diff and an auto controller which has a diff lock button.
This morning while the traffic was all stationary on the hill heading towards the M1, due to a BMW 1 series, I locked the diff and drove through 4" of snow past everyone. I have partly worn T1R's that seems to be great in the snow. I must admit to having to be very careful with the throttle to keep the torque down.
Well I lost count yesterday how many FWD/RWD cars I passed. Having a scooby does not make us Nordic Ice Driving Gods, taking it steady with AWD/4X4 or whatever, does make things a bit more managable... and if I had winter tyres on a FWD I probably be passing most 'normal' tyred cars 4x4 or not.
Nope. The AWD means that it is full time 4 wheel drive whereas most 4x4 cars are 2wd and can engage the 4 wheel drive system when required.
Oh baloney.....
what is a 4x4, the correct interpretation is 4 wheel 4 wheel drive...so all it means is that all 4 wheels can be driven, some may be part time, some full time, AWD means only the same!
Range Rover, perm 4WD, Disco, perm 4WD, Defender perm 4WD, freelander perm 4WD, honda CRV perm 4WD, scoobs perm 4WD, it all depends on what the marketing team want to call it - and it appears you are one of their 'soft' targets who "buys" it!
what is a 4x4, the correct interpretation is 4 wheel 4 wheel drive...so all it means is that all 4 wheels can be driven, some may be part time, some full time, AWD means only the same!
Range Rover, perm 4WD, Disco, perm 4WD, Defender perm 4WD, freelander perm 4WD, honda CRV perm 4WD, scoobs perm 4WD, it all depends on what the marketing team want to call it - and it appears you are one of their 'soft' targets who "buys" it!
Simon
Exactly! Only to add that AWD means all wheels are driven so if a vehicle has 6 wheels and all are driven, it is also AWD or 6x6 or 6WD. If a 6 wheel vehicle has 4 driven wheels, it is not AWD, but is 4WD or 6x4! A two wheel drive, 4 wheeled vehicle is a 4x2. A motorbike would be 2x1.
A scooby is AWD, 4WD & 4x4 as it has 4 wheels and ALL 4 wheels are driven.
If you want to be more specific you can add "permanent/full-time" or "part-time" to clarify if the vehicle allways drives all driven wheels or selectively drives additional wheels.
...and before you start quoting Wikipedia on me, remember Wikipedia is written by people who post on internet forums
drove very slowly today and depending on the roads, AWD didnt matter at all as done a 90 degree spin whilst going round a corner at around 3mph, lucky didnt hit anything but the car behind saw that and whacked his car in reverse and left to find another route!
drove my uk turbo to api yesterday just used 1500rpm didnt get stuck or even slide past loads off stuck cars thought the awd work better than i tought even with 18" so it done me very proud
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i took tuesday off work for some fun went up over exmoor toyo t1rs part worn sensible on the throttle went through 5-6inches of soft snow on packed underneath , went everywere i wanted to go dont know what all the fuss is about lol
what is a 4x4, the correct interpretation is 4 wheel 4 wheel drive...so all it means is that all 4 wheels can be driven, some may be part time, some full time, AWD means only the same!
Range Rover, perm 4WD, Disco, perm 4WD, Defender perm 4WD, freelander perm 4WD, honda CRV perm 4WD, scoobs perm 4WD, it all depends on what the marketing team want to call it - and it appears you are one of their 'soft' targets who "buys" it!
Simon
Simon, I'm not appreciating your reply or it's tone.
Very sorry mate, but my input above is still true. There are loads of so called 4x4 "cars" that only drive 2 wheels untill the others are required. They are not AWD all of the time. I believe the marketing was trying to defferentiate bewteen the two and who mentioned the landy's?
I also believe that someone mentions one of the cars I was thinking about, the 4-motion.
