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Dammit, how come none of you wankers told me about the second coming of the whoring thread? Fuka seems worthy to be a dub too. Are we still accepting members?
No problem with him - he's cool dude, just like Happy_Days
I know Fuka's a good guy. I've met and talked to him a few times, which is why I asked. I haven't met HD though.
Darren, here's the question- what's John 3:16? It just seems like it's quoted (or rather, the "John 3:16" part is) quite often. It would've been cool if someone finds a good passage that's the same as the person's lap time at a particular track though
So I was just chillin' and looking at 993's, and I came across this picture on p-car.com
Now there's no reason why you guys can't skip church to go autoxing, because you're not
Well, I ain't no pastor, but if my pastor wasn't that busy, I think he would be interested in this kind of ministry (although in Cantonese) - he loves car as well
I think it's "For God so loved the world, He gave us his only Son" or something along those lines... or near that... or I might be wrong...
Yep, something along that lines - I know the chinese version much better than the English, but 'phoe should chime in on that...
Seriously, I wonder what a professional driver does if he's a believer... ultimately, the Lord's word would be in his heart all the time so he doesn't need to be in a church
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John 3:16 - prob. one of the most (mis-)quoted verse in the world. What I mean by mis-quoted is that they get the words mixed up, but the essence of the verse is still there.
If my Sunday School teacher taught me right, it goes something like this:
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For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish, but have ever lasting life.
Something like that. There are online Bibles out there where you can look it up and get the proper verse. There are many different versions out there - New International Version (much like regular english), King James (ye shall be reading, so ye shall better brush up on ye engrish), New King James (similar to the KJ, but without the thous and thees and yees).
Anyway, what that verse is talking about is the only way to stay outta hell. I believe that God wants us to hang out with him in heaven, but because of the choices that certain people made [ahem Adam and Eve], they disobeyed God,thus letting sin (a.k.a. bad stuff) enter into the human race. The only way to get rid of this sin is to have a blood sacrifice - something has to die in place of that sin. If you've read stories from the Old Testament in the Bible, it talks a lot about sacrificing animals every year to atone for your sins, etc. It also talks about the promise of the Messiah in the Old Testament as well. The Messiah is someone who will save the world by getting rid of the evil in it. People in the OT thought that this person would come down as a great ruler, who'd slaughter all the "bad people" and get rid of them. Unfortunately for them, they assumed wrong.
Here's where Jesus comes into the picture. I believe that he is both fully God and fully human, as well as the Son of God, who is separate from God himself. I know it's wierd, and it seems like I"m contradicting myself, since I believe there is only one God, but just bear with me for a bit. Takes a little faith to believe all of this.
Anyway, Jesus being fully God and human at the same time, came down to this earth to live life as a human, as well as be an example to us. He is the Messiah. He didn't come down to earth to wipe out all the "bad people" with his superpowers, but to serve others, and die for everyone. He led a perfect life since he's God. He's also under the authority of God since he's the Son of God. Again, this seems wierd, but just bear with me. Since he's 100% human, and 100% God, he could live a 100% perfect life - a life without sin. Only God can do that. Ever try to be 100% perfect and not screw up anything?
Let's jump back to the blood sacrifice thing. Since the only way to pay for blood is to have it paid for by a sacrifice (something/someone dying in place of you) Jews (and other believers in God), had to sacrifice an animal (lamb/bird/oxen/etc.) every year during a time called Passover. Something that had to be done every year, because an animal sacrifice just isn't "good enough" to last a lifetime for everybody.
It just happened to be that during this time when Jesus was around, he too was destined to be killed for no other reason than the rulers of that time just didn't like him. Jesus was too radical for them. This all worked for God's plan because he wanted to have one final blood sacrifice that would cover the rest of humanity for all to come. Jesus being innocent of all charges against him (by the rulers of that day), as well as living a 100% perfect and clean life was killed - nailed to a cross and hung out to die a death which he didn't deserve to die.
Even though Jesus didn't deserve to die, he willingly went to the cross. Even though God didn't want Jesus to die (because Jesus was innocent), God let him die then and there because this would be the final sacrifice for all mankind.
Some people believe that Jesus didn't really die, that he just "passed out". He was hung out there nekked on the cross for basically a day - in the hot sun, till the cold evening. A soldier even stabbed his abdomen with a sword and blood and water came out - physical evidence that someone is dead.
So that's the sacrifice part. Jesus was sacrificed and his blood was shed to cover all of mankind's sin.
The best part is this. Even though he died, since he was 100% innocent and perfect, he didn't deserve to die, and because of this, he didn't stay dead. Three days later, he was up and about alive and well. In the Bible it speaks of people who were close to Jesus, seeing him after those three days. They recognized him. They poked his holes, they ate with him, talked with him, they knew it was him and he was alive with them.
So does that mean everybody gets to go to Heaven? Sorry, I wish it were that easy. The one caveat is "free will" which is the same "free will" given to Adam and Eve when they ate from the tree where they weren't suppose to eat. God doesn't want us to be robots who can't think/choose for themselves. He's gracious enough to give us freedom of choice, even though he knows that many people won't take him up on his offer.
Basically the 2 choices are this:
1) Believe in Jesus and accept him as your Lord and Saviour
or
2) Don't choose him as Lord and Saviour
The first one gets you a ticket to heaven . The 2nd one doesn't.
I hope you enjoyed by essay on the Gospel of John 3:16.
Funny, my buddy and I were talking about Religion today at lunchtime. He was raised Muslim. He's spiritual, but not really practicing Muslim. But he said that almost all the wars in the world today is tied to a religion issue. The terrorists, the Palestenian Conflict, the irish town that has protestants vs. catholic etc.
But in any case, I find it hard to believe that God or whomever higher power you believe in, would not favour somebody who is a totally nice person all his life, never hurt a fly, but has never known <insert your main religious figure here>.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a practicing Catholic, but that's just some part of the religion I don't agree with. What about all those children that die everyday in Iraq? Why would they be denied "heaven" when their only "sin" was to be born on a highly-violent part of the world?
I guess I just don't blindly believe in everything that my Religion tells me. Since in the end, religion I think is something man-made, sure there might be a chance that it was handed over by a higher power at one point in time, but the fact that it was still written in paper and interpreted by man, just makes me question about some of the "rules" that was made.
Last edited by youthanasia; 05 October 2004 at 20:59.
Funny, my buddy and I were talking about Religion today at lunchtime. He was raised Muslim. He's spiritual, but not really practicing Muslim. But he said that almost all the wars in the world today is tied to a religion issue. The terrorists, the Palestenian Conflict, the irish town that has protestants vs. catholic etc.
But in any case, I find it hard to believe that God or whomever higher power you believe in, would not favour somebody who is a totally nice person all his life, never hurt a fly, but has never known <insert your main religious figure here>.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a practicing Catholic, but that's just some part of the religion I don't agree with. What about all those children that die everyday in Iraq? Why would they be denied "heaven" when their only "sin" was to be born on a highly-violent part of the world?
I guess I just don't blindly believe in everything that my Religion tells me. Since in the end, religion I think is something man-made, sure there might be a chance that it was handed over by a higher power at one point in time, but the fact that it was still written in paper and interpreted by man, just makes me question about some of the "rules" that was made.
God has very high standards - even though someone looks to be doing good in the human eye, that person still has sin in him, which will results in death (now everybody dies, but those who believe and accept Jesus will have eternal life). As stated, Jesus ws born sinless, but died as part of the Father's plan to redeem those who believe, and he rose again 3 days after because he has authority over death.
Now while God holds justice, He also loved us so He wants us to be with Him eternally, hence this grand plan of salvation - our ancestors (Adam & Eve) have chosen to sin, but now we have the choice to repent and be with God again.
('phoe - just correct me if I mis-wrote anything, I speak better in Cantonese than trying to type it back out in English)
I guess I just don't blindly believe in everything that my Religion tells me. Since in the end, religion I think is something man-made, sure there might be a chance that it was handed over by a higher power at one point in time, but the fact that it was still written in paper and interpreted by man, just makes me question about some of the "rules" that was made.
There is one big difference between Christianity (which by definition including Catholics) and other religions - it's not man-made, but rather, God has revealed to us. Interpretation by man doesn't equate to what God actually tells us - and it's very personal, because you need to have a relationship with God to truely understand Him. You're right in questioning the rules that man interpreted and made - but if you really wanted to follow His rules, you would ask Him what the rules really meant. Just like in AutoX - you don't just follow what you fellow racers tell you about a rule, you would find out yourself what it really meant.
Hopefully this doesn't turn into an unnecessary debate...
"Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels." (2 Timothy 2:23)
I was raised as a practicing catholic but I've fallen far astray. I don't really have any firm beliefs. I believe a bit of a lot of things and a bit of nothing. A lot of religions are really F'd up these days even though I believe in spirit they all tend to be similar. If I want to I can easily debate either side of the who/what is God and does he exist but I look at religion as more of a philosophy of how to live life. I think religion should be about things like tollerance, equality and forgiveness. Somehow some faiths get twisted into things like war, revenge, justice, and control.
To be honest, religion can scare me a bit. Like at Peter's wedding, all those years of going to church come back to me and I know exactly what to say/do during the ceremony and it makes me feel somewhat brainwashed. I don't think the purpose of church is for us to be mindless sheep that recite back what we've been programmed to do but that's what it feels like for me.
At some point I've decided I don't need religion but I still try to be a "good" person even though I don't have a God to answer to. I guess in many ways I let societly dictate was is acceptable and what isn't instead of a higher power.
I agree with you Chris, it has been revealed to us, and is continued to be revealed to us in our own personal ways. I have my own personal relationship with God, my own values and beliefs, nobody can take that away from me nor change it (What I always tell Jehova's witnesses who come by my home). Your relationship with God/a higher power, is something that each and every person develops themselves with God, wether they acknowledge it or not, just like any other relationship. It's unique to every person.
Understanding God is something that I don't even begin to do. I don't think I would be able to understand His very nature or being. To me, He just is.
I even questioned His very existence at one point in my life, but there are a series of events that happened to me that just made me believe that there is truly a higher being up there.
Last edited by youthanasia; 05 October 2004 at 22:04.
Everybody's experience is different - I was raised in a Christian family, didn't regularly go to worship until I came to Canada. Going to church is one thing - actually living out what God has for me is a totally different matter. You're right that God doesn't want us to be robots, hence the free will of human.
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Somehow some faiths get twisted into things like war, revenge, justice, and control.
I would attribute that to the sinful nature of human. It doesn't take all that much for the Devil to twist something good to become something terrible, if we don't have God in our heart (and I mean everybody) - the Devil's job is to take us away from God, and these days, I would have to sadly say it's not all that hard.
Sometimes, I just think that the Devil is something that humanity has conjured up so they can blame somebody because they royally screwed up with the gift of Free Will that God gave them. Something to scare all the other people back in the old days because it's easier to command people with Fear... hey! That's just like today's "Terror Alert Level"!
I mean, back in the days, when a nation of highly religious people needs to go to war, and they need to protect their nation, what's the easiest way to get them to take arms? Well, call it "JIHAD" or holy war, that'll keep recruits coming.
Or back in the day where the cows were a highly useful commodity but really yummy to eat, but became scarce, so what do they do? They say "Don't eat cows, they're sacred". So people stopped eating beef.
Don't mind me I'm just bored
Last edited by youthanasia; 05 October 2004 at 22:19.
I'm not bored. I just spent about 5 mins entering pepsi codes to try and win an IPOD. Probably had close to 20 codes to enter and I figured with everyone saving huge quantities for late at night or other odd hours I'd do it now while people are at work.
Seriously, I just hope to see every one of you in heaven when we get there
Yep, God is merciful, we'll all make it. Well, assuming I don't kill you and steal your SSRs. Hell, even then if I begged for forgiveness I might be able to get away with it. :devil:
As for me, I was finished with one big problem before the big post when I had my lunch late, other than, I expect to mug around an LCD and TV tuner tonight at home now that the parents are back with the goodies
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