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Old 10 December 2003, 12:07   #31 (permalink)
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I work for a hosting company so I know how things work.

on 9 out of 10 dedicated servers, the DNS is controlled on the same physical machine the website is on. especially when the DNS is custom registered for the site. Also as I said in the second past after, by checking the A record would confirm this.
I didn't mean to put your nose out of joint, I was simply providing a more robust method of tracking down where the web site was located. If the content of the web site is "dodgy" then it is likely that, if they didn't to be easily found, it may not conform to the 9/10 norm and be spread across several hosts/countries.

The method I proposed takes this into account.

Your method, although perfectly valid, contained an assumption whereas mine did not.
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Old 10 December 2003, 12:09   #32 (permalink)
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Robust? Hows this?

DNS records
name class type data time to live
freespirits.org IN NS ns1.freespirits.org 86400s (1d)
freespirits.org IN NS ns2.freespirits.org 86400s (1d)
freespirits.org IN NS ns3.freespirits.org 86400s (1d)
freespirits.org IN A 207.139.168.104 86400s (1d)
freespirits.org IN MX preference: 20
exchange: mail.freespirits.org
86400s (1d)
freespirits.org IN SOA server: ns1.freespirits.org
email: info@freespirits.org
serial: 2003121001
refresh: 10800
retry: 3600
expire: 604800
minimum ttl: 86400
86400s (1d)
freespirits.org IN TXT v=spf1 mx ~all 86400s (1d)
168.139.207.in-addr.arpa IN SOA server: ns.interlink.net
email: root@ns.interlink.net
serial: 2003120902
refresh: 3600
retry: 900
expire: 604800
minimum ttl: 0
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Old 10 December 2003, 12:11   #33 (permalink)
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Katana: Nope, site still active
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Damn.
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Old 10 December 2003, 12:15   #35 (permalink)
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Maybe your ip has been denied...


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Old 10 December 2003, 12:16   #36 (permalink)
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I have forwarded this info onto the relevant person at the Police just in case they are not aware.

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Old 10 December 2003, 12:35   #37 (permalink)
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Hi,

If you are interested in reading this, here is an e-mail I have just sent to the company hosting the site:



Hi,

I am not sure if you are aware but it would seem you are hosting a website for the peadophilia community. As a moral individual I myself and many other people find this site completely sick and disgusting. It is a forum where people who consider themsevle 'boylovers' can comunicate with each other, mostly using code words or phrases to hide thier true meaning.

From the checks I have done it would seem the site is hosted on a dedicated server, but i believe it still is covered by your terms of service.

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'2. Epifora, Inc.'s network and services may be used only for lawful purposes. Transmission, distribution or storage of any material in violation of any applicable law or regulation is prohibited. This includes, without limitation, material protected by copyright, trademark, trade secret or other intellectual property right used without proper authorization, and material that is obscene or defamatory, or violates export control laws.'

Your terms and conditions would also appear to uphold your right to terminate a site for any reason

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'7. Epifora, Inc. may terminate your access to the Service and any related service(s) at any time, with or without cause, with or without notice, effective immediately, for any reason whatsoever.'

The domain name in question is freespirits.org

I am hoping that you will be able to take some form of action against this site as from what I can see it can easily be classed as a violation of your Terms and Conditions. I don't usually take this action when I come accross a site that I don't agree with but in this case the site is question can only be described as sick, morally and legally wrong.

Domain details below

I look forward to hearing from you.

Kind Regards
Phil

Domain Details

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canonical name freespirits.org.
aliases
addresses 207.139.168.104


Domain Whois record
Querying whois.publicinterestregistry.net with "freespirits.org"...

NOTICE: Access to .ORG WHOIS information is provided to assist persons in
determining the contents of a domain name registration record in the PIR
registry database. The data in this record is provided by Public Interest Registry
for informational purposes only, and PIR does not guarantee its
accuracy. This service is intended only for query-based access. You agree
that you will use this data only for lawful purposes and that, under no
circumstances will you use this data to: (a) allow, enable, or otherwise
support the transmission by e-mail, telephone, or facsimile of mass
unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations to entities other than
the data recipient's own existing customers; or (b) enable high volume,
automated, electronic processes that send queries or data to the systems of
Registry Operator or any ICANN-Accredited Registrar, except as reasonably
necessary to register domain names or modify existing registrations. All
rights reserved. PIR reserves the right to modify these terms at any
time. By submitting this query, you agree to abide by this policy.

Domain ID71392997-LROR
Domain Name:FREESPIRITS.ORG
Created On:26-May-2001 01:41:07 UTC
Last Updated On:22-Sep-2003 17:08:21 UTC
Expiration Date:26-May-2006 01:41:07 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:R63-LROR
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:15384747-NSI
Registrant Name:Free Spirits
Registrant Organization:Free Spirits
Registrant Street1:800 Place Victoria
Registrant Street2:P.O Box 411
Registrant City:Montreal
Registrant State/Province:QC
Registrant Postal Code:H4Z 1J7
Registrant Country:CA
Registrant Email:spirits@freedom.net
Admin ID:16796787-NSI
Admin Name:Free Spirits
Admin Organization:Free Spirits
Admin Street1:800 Place Victoria
Admin Street2:P.O. Box 411
Admin City:Montreal
Admin State/Province:PQ H4Z
Admin Postal Code:1J7
Admin Country:CA
Admin Email:admin@freespirits.org
Tech ID:2595757-NSI
Tech Name:EPIFORA INC.
Tech Organization:EPIFORA INC.
Tech Street1:6595, rue St-Hubert c.p. 59054
Tech City:MONTREAL
Tech State/Province:QUEBEC
Tech Postal Code:H2S 3P5
Tech Country:CA
Tech Email:info@epifora.com
Name Server:NS2.FREESPIRITS.ORG
Name Server:NS1.FREESPIRITS.ORG
Name Server:NS3.FREESPIRITS.ORG



org = Non-Profit Organizations

Querying whois.publicinterestregistry.net with "freespirits.org"...

NOTICE: Access to .ORG WHOIS information is provided to assist persons in
determining the contents of a domain name registration record in the PIR
registry database. The data in this record is provided by Public Interest Registry
for informational purposes only, and PIR does not guarantee its
accuracy. This service is intended only for query-based access. You agree
that you will use this data only for lawful purposes and that, under no
circumstances will you use this data to: (a) allow, enable, or otherwise
support the transmission by e-mail, telephone, or facsimile of mass
unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations to entities other than
the data recipient's own existing customers; or (b) enable high volume,
automated, electronic processes that send queries or data to the systems of
Registry Operator or any ICANN-Accredited Registrar, except as reasonably
necessary to register domain names or modify existing registrations. All
rights reserved. PIR reserves the right to modify these terms at any
time. By submitting this query, you agree to abide by this policy.

Domain ID71392997-LROR
Domain Name:FREESPIRITS.ORG
Created On:26-May-2001 01:41:07 UTC
Last Updated On:22-Sep-2003 17:08:21 UTC
Expiration Date:26-May-2006 01:41:07 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:R63-LROR
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:15384747-NSI
Registrant Name:Free Spirits
Registrant Organization:Free Spirits
Registrant Street1:800 Place Victoria
Registrant Street2:P.O Box 411
Registrant City:Montreal
Registrant State/Province:QC
Registrant Postal Code:H4Z 1J7
Registrant Country:CA
Registrant Email:spirits@freedom.net
Admin ID:16796787-NSI
Admin Name:Free Spirits
Admin Organization:Free Spirits
Admin Street1:800 Place Victoria
Admin Street2:P.O. Box 411
Admin City:Montreal
Admin State/Province:PQ H4Z
Admin Postal Code:1J7
Admin Country:CA
Admin Email:admin@freespirits.org
Tech ID:2595757-NSI
Tech Name:EPIFORA INC.
Tech Organization:EPIFORA INC.
Tech Street1:6595, rue St-Hubert c.p. 59054
Tech City:MONTREAL
Tech State/Province:QUEBEC
Tech Postal Code:H2S 3P5
Tech Country:CA
Tech Email:info@epifora.com
Name Server:NS2.FREESPIRITS.ORG
Name Server:NS1.FREESPIRITS.ORG
Name Server:NS3.FREESPIRITS.ORG



Alternate resources:
http://www.orgtransition.info/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?whois_query_field=freespirits.org
http://www.orgtransition.info/cgi-bin/whois.cgi


Network Whois record
Querying whois.arin.net with "207.139.168.104"...

Metrix Interlink Inc. INTERLINK02 (NET-207-139-0-0-1)
207.139.0.0 - 207.139.255.255
Epifora Inc. EPIFUU1 (NET-207-139-168-96-1)
207.139.168.96 - 207.139.168.127

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2003-12-09 19:15
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.

Querying whois.arin.net with "!NET-207-139-168-96-1"...

OrgName: Epifora Inc.
OrgID: EPIFOR
Address: 6732 St Hubert
City: Montreal
StateProv: QC
PostalCode: H2S 2M6
Country: CA

NetRange: 207.139.168.96 - 207.139.168.127
CIDR: 207.139.168.96/27
NetName: EPIFUU1
NetHandle: NET-207-139-168-96-1
Parent: NET-207-139-0-0-1
NetType: Reassigned
Comment:
RegDate: 2001-06-25
Updated: 2001-06-25

TechHandle: JW1490-ARIN
TechName: White, John
TechPhone: +1-514-490-0935
TechEmail: sthubert@sympatico.ca

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2003-12-09 19:15
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.

DNS records
name class type data time to live
freespirits.org IN A 207.139.168.104 84893s (23h 34m 53s)
freespirits.org IN NS ns1.freespirits.org 84893s (23h 34m 53s)
freespirits.org IN NS ns2.freespirits.org 84893s (23h 34m 53s)
freespirits.org IN NS ns3.freespirits.org 84893s (23h 34m 53s)
freespirits.org IN SOA server: ns1.freespirits.org
email: info@freespirits.org
serial: 2003121001
refresh: 10800
retry: 3600
expire: 604800
minimum ttl: 86400
84893s (23h 34m 53s)
freespirits.org IN MX preference: 20
exchange: mail.freespirits.org
84893s (23h 34m 53s)
freespirits.org IN TXT v=spf1 mx ~all 84893s (23h 34m 53s)
168.139.207.in-addr.arpa IN SOA server: ns.InterLink.NET
email: root@ns.InterLink.NET
serial: 2003120902
refresh: 3600
retry: 900
expire: 604800
minimum ttl: 86400
86400s (1d)

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Old 10 December 2003, 12:38   #38 (permalink)
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Short and sweet!!!!
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Old 10 December 2003, 12:44   #39 (permalink)
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I'll post whatever reply i get when and if i get one
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Old 10 December 2003, 12:55   #40 (permalink)
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Nice one EvilKyote, a copy to http://www.iwf.org.uk would probably be a good idea too.

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Old 10 December 2003, 13:00   #41 (permalink)
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Just to clarify, DNS is rarely run off of the same machine as the webserver, that's bad infrastructure design. Also consider DNS round-robin, if you just check an A record once then you're not getting all the info. A zone transfer is what you need, which most people disallow for good reason. If I wanted to find the IP of a webserver the last thing I'd check is the IP of the DNS server(s), because they're irrelevant.
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Old 10 December 2003, 13:01   #42 (permalink)
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My only concern about all this is that the site may exist to trap these pedarists and well meaning interference might mean these people escape justice and more children get harmed.
Tell the police by all means but all this amateur stuff is potentially counter-productive.
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Just to clarify, DNS is rarely run off of the same machine as the webserver, that's bad infrastructure design. Also consider DNS round-robin, if you just check an A record once then you're not getting all the info. A zone transfer is what you need, which most people disallow for good reason. If I wanted to find the IP of a webserver the last thing I'd check is the IP of the DNS server(s), because they're irrelevant.
Maybe my fault for not being clear. get the DNS IP address, query the domain name with the DNS server to retrive all the zone info and such, in particular the A-record as this is the IP address of the actualy machine the website will be setup on.

Also I was not refering to large company / corporate style dedicated server, as they would have decdicated DNS / mail / webservers etc to handle different aspects of the site.

You just being picky! :P

Maybe Narco, but you would think that they would take action to arrest these people, and generally convicted pedo's get a jail sentence.
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Can't be picky when it comes to IT, it's either right or wrong The only reasons for interrogating a DNS server directly is if you're afraid a potential non-authorative answer will be wrong. You can't zone transfer if it's been disabled, and the www host may even be a CNAME as opposed to an A, you won't know until you look
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Besides which, if it were a site setup by the authorities I would think the hosting company would be aware of this.
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Hence why i did look!

Picky!
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Too scared to look myself as I dont fancy a visit at 3am from plod!
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Perhaps they are taking action to arrest these people and this is an ongoing thing, finding more and more of these criminals as it continues...................

As I say report it by all means but this wouldn't be the first time such a sting operation was ruined by well meaning people.
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Surely, this site cannot be real. Let's hope it is some sort of entrapment thing....
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STAY AWAY. Anyone looking at sites involving under age sex are just asking for trouble. If it's foreign nowt can be done by 'mere mortals'. However i am pretty sure 'people' are looking into this site and you do not want your address (forgive naievity, no idea when it comes to P.C.'s) coming up on systems do you?
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Just spoof your IP address and spam the freaks!
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The site is probably run by the police- at least I hope it is. Everyones IP is probably logged, checked and can now expect a visit from the law. Good.

Could be Nacro.
Because....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3329567.stm

Any relation do you think? Was anyone aware through looking at the site, that it is a sting operation?

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