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Yeah very fed up of it, mostly the goverment jumping in on the bandwagon and using it as an excuse to make me pay more for for less services.
To be honest I've not changed my life style one bit and I dont intend to !
I'm sick of the hysteria and the bad 'science' that comes with it, and I wish everyone proposing some 'green' initiative would quote the expected reduction in carbon dioxide as a percentage rather than an absolute amount.
That way, we might see just how pointless a lot of proposals are, and could at least focus on things that are actually worthwhile, rather than the endless token-ism and 'being seen to do something' that we currently have to put up with. I worked out, for example, that changing every possible light bulb in every home to an energy-saving bulb would cut the country's emissions by just 0.5%.
there seems little point on banging on about it of the likes of the USA, china and india go on as they do - we are supposed to set an example - as if they are going to follow it. Indai and china are hell bent on impoving/building things.
something like 4 coal fired powerplants per month going on line in china - that really gonna help.
I do think it is an issue but need to tackle the real problems.
__________________ The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing - A. Einstein
Location: At the bank looking to see if i have saved enough for a remap!
Posts: 1,772
i hate everything about global warming.
"we have found that we are slowly killing our planet, something must be done immediately"
"i've found the solution, lets raise all kinds of taxes, raise the cost of petrol, and we will make hybrid cars cost pennies to run, brilliant"
so they plan to bully us out of driving, and i have heard somewhere that soon enough when hybrid and economical/green vehicles are more popular they are going to raise the road taxes on them.
im all in for recycling and all that but why charge us more money for things?
I'm not a big global warming "doom & gloom" fan, but in all seriousness, spend an hour and a half of your life watching Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth".....
Good film that explains an awful lot, without the usual preachy "it's all YOUR fault" stuff.
Has it changed my outlook on life - well, slightly.
I use it as a teaching tool and get (older) teenagers to comment on it - they come up with their own conclusions. Very informative and entertaining.
There is a fine line between conscientious care for the planet, and then these stupid lentil-wearing tree-hugging yogurt munchers. Personally, I use it as my own yardstick as to what I should do compared to what I can do.
Right, so heating your environment outside is not clever but its alright to do it inside?
Inside is warm anyhow - thats why we learnt to build shelters and caught on several thousand years ago that sitting around a fire outside trying to keep warm was inefficient and stupid
I'm not a big global warming "doom & gloom" fan, but in all seriousness, spend an hour and a half of your life watching Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth".....
Good film that explains an awful lot, without the usual preachy "it's all YOUR fault" stuff.
Has it changed my outlook on life - well, slightly.
I use it as a teaching tool and get (older) teenagers to comment on it - they come up with their own conclusions. Very informative and entertaining.
There is a fine line between conscientious care for the planet, and then these stupid lentil-wearing tree-hugging yogurt munchers. Personally, I use it as my own yardstick as to what I should do compared to what I can do.
I was sick of it a while ago. For me it was around the time that BBC News (in particular on Radio 1) went from talking about global warming as possible theory to absolute fact in the space of a week.
And now, every company tries to justify everything they do in green terms. For example, John West sending prawns abroad for shelling by hand because it lowers the carbon footprint. Bollocks, it's because it's cheaper.
Inside is warm anyhow - thats why we learnt to build shelters and caught on several thousand years ago that sitting around a fire outside trying to keep warm was inefficient and stupid
So, you leave your heating on constantly even when you're not inside? The point is that the whole patio heater banning debate is sypmtomatic of the current climate change debate with the tree huggers making spurious claims which the majority of the population are gullible enough to believe.
Patio heater produce thirty two times less CO2 than televisions even if you lit every single one in the UK and left the televisions on standby. That figure shifts to 32,000 times less CO2 being produced by patio heaters if the televisions are left on.
Anybody calling for the banning of televisions? Nope, because they wouldn't stand a chance of getting the electorate behind it. However, take a nice easy target such as 4x4s or patio heaters which are the preserve of the middle classes and its easier to make a point that only the gullible will go for.
I recently watched a film about the global warming scam ! It was supposedly started by margaret thatcher as she wanted more nuclear energy so she said our normal engery plants were poluting the earth !!
also the idea that the increase is CO2 is creating this problem !!when you see how much co2 makes up the earths atmosphere I think it would need massive increases before a change was seen, also the global warming scam is a multi-milion pound indutry
the earths atmosphere even if we saw a 100% increase in co2 it would still only make 0.076% of the earths atmosphere, so not a significant rise to worry about
Constant components
(proportions remain the same over time and location)
Nitrogen (N2) 78.08%
Oxygen (O2) 20.95%
Argon (Ar) 0.93%
Neon, Helium, Krypton 0.0001%
Variable components
(amounts vary over time and location)
Carbon dioxide (CO2) 0.038%
Water vapor (H20) 0-4%
Methane (CH4) trace
Sulfur dioxide (SO2) trace
Ozone (O3) trace
Nitrogen oxides (NO, NO2) trace
Last edited by stevebt; 05 February 2008 at 21:06.
So, you leave your heating on constantly even when you're not inside? The point is that the whole patio heater banning debate is sypmtomatic of the current climate change debate with the tree huggers making spurious claims which the majority of the population are gullible enough to believe.
Patio heater produce thirty two times less CO2 than televisions even if you lit every single one in the UK and left the televisions on standby. That figure shifts to 32,000 times less CO2 being produced by patio heaters if the televisions are left on.
Anybody calling for the banning of televisions? Nope, because they wouldn't stand a chance of getting the electorate behind it. However, take a nice easy target such as 4x4s or patio heaters which are the preserve of the middle classes and its easier to make a point that only the gullible will go for.
That's exactly it. The absolute amount of damage that patio heaters do is vanishingly small - yet they're used as a target by those who are desperate to be seen to be doing something.
It's certainly the case that, in terms of cost/benefit, they're a hideously inefficient way of keeping warm - not because they're bad at heating patios, but because heating air around a patio is itself a poor way to get heat from burning gas into the body. So, they're an easy target, but in terms of a percentage reduction in the world's carbon emissions, they barely even register.
Location: French side of the border at Geneva, Switzerland
Posts: 5,697
I couldn't give a damn about global warming and refuse to change my ways to accomodate the scaremongerers. I intend to run my scoob on V-Power 100 and if and when it goes over the emission guidelines, ask me if I give a crap. All this global warming crap will end up like the "acid rain" nonsense...and we've heard precious little of that for a long time. Why? Cos it was PC/green bollox.
I couldn't give a damn about global warming and refuse to change my ways to accomodate the scaremongerers. I intend to run my scoob on V-Power 100 and if and when it goes over the emission guidelines, ask me if I give a crap. All this global warming crap will end up like the "acid rain" nonsense...and we've heard precious little of that for a long time. Why? Cos it was PC/green bollox.
Not to mention the Brazillian rainforests that are disappearing at an astonishing rate. Or not.
The only solution to global warming is genocide on a grand scale - human population growth more than outweighs any pitiful efforts proposed to reduce CO2 emissions. Human population today 6bn - forecast to be 9bn by 2040. We're doomed
absolute load of ball cocks.anything britain does is a wet fart in a collander compared to the crap india china and the us is pumping out.its trendy and as long as they allow jets to whizz around the world taking losers to naff places on holiday im not going to give up my car!!!brainwashing the public!!!
Anyone sick of the 'green'/Global warming stuff yet?
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