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As usual in instances with emotive subject matter (and it's VERY emotive for me, personally), it's best to wait till the facts are uncovered before going off on one.
It is worth noting that evidently the police reported this to the RSPCA at the earliest opportunity and that they - not the police - are conducting the investigation. Dog handlers usually regard their dogs as family and one would hope would not be so ignorant as to knowingly put a dog in that kind of situation. So it's hard to imagine what went wrong here!
If someone is at fault then clearly they should not be immune from prosecution or receiving an appropriate sentence just because of their status as a policeman....that's just common sense and natural justice - I don't think that anyone would argue otherwise.
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can you please stop using the oxygen thats intended for the rest of us?
If you need assistance in this feel free to request it-I'm sure I wont be the only one to offer you help
many thanks
Richie
Request for thread title change been sent to mods as this is not a copper bashing thread -only me venting disgust and comtempt for individual(s) who just happen to be coppers
cheers richie
Dog handlers usually regard their dogs as family and one would hope would not be so ignorant as to knowingly put a dog in that kind of situation. So it's hard to imagine what went wrong here!
If someone is at fault then clearly they should not be immune from prosecution or receiving an appropriate sentence just because of their status as a policeman....that's just common sense and natural justice - I don't think that anyone would argue otherwise.
Ns04
Exactly that.
I've heard that the handler was off duty apparently and the dogs were left in his own car!! I stress this is just hearsay.
As livid as I am and saddened somebody could possibly be so bloody dim, it has to be a tragedy for the handler too surely. That in no way is in defence of the handler but nobody would put a member of their own family in grave danger knowingly and he has to live with that forever.
and here's what happens when Joe Public kills a dog in pretty much the exact same circumstances...
The Scottish SPCA said two of the dead animals were found in the same vehicle in Inverness.
They also received reports of the death of another dog in a separate incident in the city, and of a dog in Tain.
The charity said heat from the sun was intensified through glass, and could cause a dog to effectively boil alive from the inside.
Northern Constabulary have reported someone to the procurator fiscal over the incident in Tain.
So why wasn't Joe Public reported to the SSPCA - I wonder !!!!
and here's what happens when Joe Public kills a dog in pretty much the exact same circumstances...
The Scottish SPCA said two of the dead animals were found in the same vehicle in Inverness.
They also received reports of the death of another dog in a separate incident in the city, and of a dog in Tain.
The charity said heat from the sun was intensified through glass, and could cause a dog to effectively boil alive from the inside.
Northern Constabulary have reported someone to the procurator fiscal over the incident in Tain.
So why wasn't Joe Public reported to the SSPCA - I wonder !!!!
Scottish law though-different to england and wales-animals dont boil from the inside btw-the body will reach a certain temp(depending on the mammal concerned) through overheating at which point the body temp regulation (by the hypothallamus<sp> ) goes from positive to negative feedback(or vice versa-bed time for me now so brain slipping) and increases its own body temperature as a defense against disease as most diseases cannot tolerate much more than normal body temp-thats why when mammals get ill the body temp rises to make it harder for the disease to survive but also harder for the mammal also . any competant dog handler should know this which is why I cannot see it as anything other than cruely or neglect
cheers richie
My comments were aimed at those who just knock the Police at every chance they get.
The problem is that the Police offer two things - too many chances for the knockers to have a go and secondly, a less than transparent approach to dealing with any misdemeanours or incidents.
In this example, even if the owner is completely innocent it would be in the Police's interest to suspend the officer pending inquiry.
Doing nothing other than to say the unit is devastated does not really help. As in the Scottish example - a policeman is negliegent, nothing happens. A member of the public is negligent and the incident is reported to the Procurator Fiscal.
This happens time and again and only rarely, such as the officer who killed the teenage girl whilst doing 90mph in a 30mph zone on camera, is action taken. In this example the officer had nowhere to hide as it was on camera.
Unlike the rest?
I didn't even know the dogs.
What is it with people in this country?
If the dogs had killed a toddler, there would be less outcry.
I just couldn't care less about two dogs and I don't understand why this is such a big deal.
Unlike the rest?
I didn't even know the dogs.
What is it with people in this country?
If the dogs had killed a toddler, there would be less outcry.
I just couldn't care less about two dogs and I don't understand why this is such a big deal.
It's just about having a bit of common sense really,it's a hot day so first thing to come to mind is when you get out of your car/van,oh i better not leave the dogs in the vehicle..
Unlike the rest?
I didn't even know the dogs.
What is it with people in this country?
If the dogs had killed a toddler, there would be less outcry.
I just couldn't care less about two dogs and I don't understand why this is such a big deal.
agree with you dogs on both posts he dosnt give a fck only about himself
and here's what happens when Joe Public kills a dog in pretty much the exact same circumstances...
The Scottish SPCA said two of the dead animals were found in the same vehicle in Inverness.
They also received reports of the death of another dog in a separate incident in the city, and of a dog in Tain.
The charity said heat from the sun was intensified through glass, and could cause a dog to effectively boil alive from the inside.
Northern Constabulary have reported someone to the procurator fiscal over the incident in Tain.
So why wasn't Joe Public reported to the SSPCA - I wonder !!!!
If you read the article in full it makes it clear that most of the comments were from someone from the spca and that prosecutions took place what is the difference ? I read the article you quoted from last week and it made my blood boil. The fact that this time the Police are responsable IMO makes it worse as they are supposed to be in a position of knowledge and authority. They should be prosecuted the same as a member of the public would be and if this results in job losses then so be it.
If you read the article in full it makes it clear that most of the comments were from someone from the spca and that prosecutions took place what is the difference ? I read the article you quoted from last week and it made my blood boil. The fact that this time the Police are responsable IMO makes it worse as they are supposed to be in a position of knowledge and authority. They should be prosecuted the same as a member of the public would be and if this results in job losses then so be it.
The difference is (as far as I can tell) is that if Joe Public kills a dog they get prosecuted by the law - if plod does it they get "Investigated" by a charity.
I suspect fcuk all will happen to the imbecile pig that boiled his dogs - as per usual !
Just looking over what has happened the Police have handed it over to the RSPCA..........the RSPCA has handed it back to the police as it's an offence under section 9 of the animal welfare act (I think that was the act)...
the RSPCA will not prosecute as they say their interest is the protection of animals and the handler is unlikely to do this again.
The Police will not prosecute as they say it's the remit of the RSPCA
The cynic in me says that Blue Peter will launch an appeal for two new police dogs.. a sad day for common sense and the rule of law.
It's just about having a bit of common sense really,it's a hot day so first thing to come to mind is when you get out of your car/van,oh i better not leave the dogs in the vehicle..
Police, protection and sport dogs are better in the vehicle if they aren't being worked or kennelled for a period of time.
I know of people with trained dogs that have had their open vehicle doors/hatches shut by a third party when parked up. We don't know if this was the case here because someone thought they were doing right or perhaps didn't like the dogs barking.
What is certain is that the vehicle should have been parked in the the shade, door or hatch open, water and a fan present. If these 4 things were not in place then the handler was in the wrong, in my opinion, whatever might have happened after leaving the vehicle.
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I know who the handler is - name, collar number, length of service.
There is a huge amount of shock reverberating througout the force as many of us feel that we've lost two colleagues rather than just two dogs.
I'm not going to go in to the circumstances of these tragic deaths, but should anyone be worried what condidtions the dogs live in, I can tell you it's probably better than most of the people that I nick as part of my duty. The dogs even have air-con in the kennels.
Our switchboards have been inundated with calls of shocked/appalled members of the public and those offering sympathy to those involved. There has even been a memorial set-up for the dogs where officers and members of the public can pay their respects.
If anyone wants further info, contact our force headquarters.
Just cant understand HOW it happened - its not exactly a new thing not to leave dogs in cars in hot weather is it ? ( even with the window cracked open, with the temperatures that we've been getting in the past week, the inside of the car would still get very hot ). And as most dog handlers are very attached to their dogs, it seems odd that one was so stupid as to not look after them.
Saying that, we take our dog to dog shows, and they still have to print warnings in the show guides saying they will break the windows of any cars if people leave dogs in them with the windows shut !, so some people are just brain dead.
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Originally Posted by Stainy
Tit
They reported it straight away to the RSPCA
Tit?
Im no copper, are you?
Give a fcuk if they reported it straight away, it shouldnt have happened in the first place!
Like i said, lets see if the handlers get prosecuted, cos i doubt they will, but any member of the public would be publicly hung drawn and quartered.
Like the tw@ doing 120 "testing" his new car, or the cnut doing 90 in a 30 with no blues and twos on, fcuk all will happen to them, and like the short haired lesbian that ran the De Menezes operation, despite their failings they will probably be promoted after a couple of years, the police force stinks of "jobs for the boys" and it does my head in, it needs a total reform, with less red tape, psycological testing to stop 23 year old bully victims taking an unhappy school life out on the general public, and no short haired lesbians who have a problem with all men hiding behind badges while giving men a hard time and chatting women up!
Oh and a stop to asian officers being allowed to sue for rascism if they dont get promoted, there are better people than you lot you know, you cant win every promotion race, get over yourselves you asshats!
Give a fcuk if they reported it straight away, it shouldnt have happened in the first place!
Like i said, lets see if the handlers get prosecuted, cos i doubt they will, but any member of the public would be publicly hung drawn and quartered.
Like the tw@ doing 120 "testing" his new car, or the cnut doing 90 in a 30 with no blues and twos on, fcuk all will happen to them, and like the short haired lesbian that ran the De Menezes operation, despite their failings they will probably be promoted after a couple of years, the police force stinks of "jobs for the boys" and it does my head in, it needs a total reform, with less red tape, psycological testing to stop 23 year old bully victims taking an unhappy school life out on the general public, and no short haired lesbians who have a problem with all men hiding behind badges while giving men a hard time and chatting women up!
Oh and a stop to asian officers being allowed to sue for rascism if they dont get promoted, there are better people than you lot you know, you cant win every promotion race, get over yourselves you asshats!
In a nut shell
Cster, you're a cock plain, simple and undisputed.
There no excuse for this stupidity, if the said copper can neglect their duty in this way then the question has to be asked are they competent enough to serve and protect or whatever the moto is in this week.
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I know who the handler is - name, collar number, length of service.
There is a huge amount of shock reverberating througout the force as many of us feel that we've lost two colleagues rather than just two dogs.
I'm not going to go in to the circumstances of these tragic deaths, but should anyone be worried what condidtions the dogs live in, I can tell you it's probably better than most of the people that I nick as part of my duty. The dogs even have air-con in the kennels.
Our switchboards have been inundated with calls of shocked/appalled members of the public and those offering sympathy to those involved. There has even been a memorial set-up for the dogs where officers and members of the public can pay their respects.
If anyone wants further info, contact our force headquarters.
Why is ZERO being said about how/why this happened? Everyone is drawing the conclusion that the guy concerned was apathetic and sadistic, and was indeed probably munching doughnuts during an extended lunchbreak. That sort of assumption needs managing (if possible) but its all schtum...
It's beyond comprehension that a trained police dog handler could do this, and to TWO dogs - so what the hell caused this to happen!???
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