tony de wonderful

Sky just showed a leaflet published by the regime which blamed a conspiracy of USA-Zionists-Islamists for spreading lies in the media.

Do they actually believe this?

The Zohan

Next they will be believing dogs are reincarnations of old adversaries and getting little children to stone them to death...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s1MspmfEwg

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Well, I don't believe Sky....So I reckon the leaflet is a fake anyway

tony de wonderful

Same stuff as Assad was saying anyway.

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

You get my point though;

A media conglomerate that profits from twisting, stirring up fear/hatred and sometimes lieing and misreporting doing a report on a leaflet that claims they are doing just that.

Even if they are totally wrong on the facts on this alledged conspiracy, they still see what our media for what it truely is, whereas I'd speculate 'alot' of the UK and the Western world are duped by it (me included in some cases).

So forgive me if I find it all a little ironic.

Myles

iTrader: (40)

Syrian Madness are one of the worse tribute bands, but their 'Night Boat to Cairo' takes some beating.

tony de wonderful

Are you serious Ali-B?

I don't deny that Sky often takes a right-wing slant, especially when questioning people but "A media conglomerate that profits from twisting, stirring up fear/hatred and sometimes lieing and misreporting"?!

Are you going to back that up with facts/specifics or just leave it hanging as a generalisation? How does this relate to Sky's reporting of the Syrian conflict? How about the BBC?

I see the western media as having a lot of diversity, a lot of different slants and opinions, which is good since it helps prevent a certain bias or orthodoxy taking hold and becoming corrupt. Having a slant is one thing but lieing another and you will notice there are consequences for lieing in the courts....media/papers have been punished for this such as NOTW etc.
An Egyptian guy I worked with said to me that he didn't like BBC/Sky because they 'told you what to think'. I was quite shocked at this, I never saw the BBC/Sky fro this POV. I still don't think he is right, more confusing the confrontational line that pundits/reporters take when questioning with this (telling you what to think?)....media being 'assertive'. State media is Arab countries is passive, bland, just doles out the official line.

If you watch Iranian press TV it takes a 'questioning' stance...the 'small guy' taking on the powerful etc...it's quite effective propaganda, but propaganda nevertheless since it's all demagoguery.

Anyway I don't believe - as you seem to - that the Syrian regime is responding to 'western media lies' - just with the wrong theory (US-Zionists-Islamists) to blame.

Reality being distorted, truths warped etc is a hallmark of insular authoritarian regimes. Everything Assad said in that Uni speech points to that. I believe he genuinely does blame foreign instigators, Islamist gangs, Zionists etc.

The Zohan

I have their 'Best Of' album! Baggy Bhuraks is probably my favourite track although Driving in my Cart takes some beating!

Oh and Tony, it seems if the news says what you personally believe but if it is not want you want to hear it is wrong - not a healthy or realistic outlook on life is it really!

GlesgaKiss

Do the Syrian regime believe this or the Syrian people? I think it would be unlikely that a regime would believe the propaganda they were putting out in a desperate bid to try and save their own *****.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Sounds about right to me. The West's media are in the main anti Muslim/Arab and pro-Israel/Jew/Zionist so where's the surprise?

tony de wonderful

In what way is that F1?

The media is constantly going out of it's way to separate Muslim terrorist from mainstream Islam...at one time the even toed the gov position of refering to the Terrorists as 'anti-Muslim Terrorists'.

If the media was really anti-Islam then can you imagine the propaganda opportunity that 7/7 was? A skilled propagandist could have probably had Muslims run out of the country if the mob was receptive enough.

tony de wonderful

I think they probably believe their own propaganda is the point.

Ceausescu believe he was loved by the Romanian people, until that moment on the balcony...you could see moment the penny dropped on his face.

Authoritarian governments don't promote truth....then get so insulated from criticism that reality gets warped on the inside.

tony de wonderful

You just analysed yourself.

The Zohan

If i am wrong (and sometimes even i am - i admit it, openly) Unlike you Tony you argue black is white. your faith in your own opinion blinds you to everything else and and any other possibilities.
You seem completely blinkered and no not just to me either!

TTFN

tony de wonderful

I'm not sure what you point is? If you think trying to argue that the actions of one Jewish Rabbi says anything about Israel then clearly that is a fallacious argument, especially when the 'actions' described didn't actually fit what happened.

Do you have any evidence of this US-Zionist-Islamist conspiracy BTW? Zionists working with Islamists, can you imagine that?

The Zohan

No, i mentioned it for a little balance and fun - you only seem to see and therefore take one side and it is never, ever the bacon-dodging rags heads.


Re the Rabid Rabbi dog slayer
I seem to remember that you said the reporting was wrong and a judge is not in a position of power or influence - I posted up a link to the report in an Israeli news paper and you then went all quite, go figure
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...6&postcount=22

tony de wonderful

And it's the best you can do? A non-story?

And the report said it was not an official ruling, all that actually happened - that we can say with certainty - is that the Rabbi asked some kids to throw stones at a dog.

BTW would you say a civil judge in this country has 'power and influence'? Can you name any off the top of your head?

tony de wonderful

Is the Syrian government right then when it claims that mysterious - Islamist gangs - carried out the massacres of security personnel?

The Zohan

^^^^^^^Perhaps you could go there and find out?