EBC Bluestuff v Pagid 4.2.1
07 August 2010, 06:43 PM
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EBC Bluestuff v Pagid 4.2.1
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I was one of the Scoobynetters that Andy Freeman of EBC sent free Bluestuff pads out to with a view to reviewing them on here. I agreed to do so, pointing out that they would not be used on the track (Andy said although they are designed primarily for the track were great on road too) and that my review would be "warts 'n' all", regardless of the fact the pads were sent free.
My car is a 2001 WRX, modded to 301/290 with an Andy F Hybrid TD04 turbo and has braided hoses and Dot 5.1 brake fluid.
The previous pads were Pagid 4.2.1s (ie Blacks), so in all honesty I was expecting the EBCs to be a step down, noting that they are quite a bit cheaper. I'm pleased to say that this has proved not to be the case.
These pads have only been out since July 2010 and EBC reckon the fact they are "heat scorched" means that bed in time is minimal, ie they pretty much come "bedded in". Well, I thought that I'd put that to the test and within 5 miles of driving after fitting I went straight onto my favourite local twisty road, the "Lang Whang". EBC were right enough - the pads worked great from the off. What great stopping power! No issues from cold and good initial bite!
I took the car out for a second test along the Lang Whang today. Did enough testing to make my girlfriend say she quite literally felt sick (sorry lass!). Did two "emergency" stops from 70mph to 0mph. Suberb stopping. Didn't get any fade although note I can't vouch for track use.
So, as a summary, my views on EBC Bluestuff pads from July 2010 are:
overall stopping power - superb
fade - none on the road on my test
use when cold - good, don't appear to need warmed up
initial bite - good
brake dust - definately less than average for brakes of this calibre
I'd have to say that I prefer the new Bluestuff to the Pagids (which are also very good) - will be interested to hear the comments of others that have come from this standard of pads.
I had planned to try DS2500s when I finally get an 06 Sti, but now I think it may be getting Bluestuff intead!
Andy Mc
I was one of the Scoobynetters that Andy Freeman of EBC sent free Bluestuff pads out to with a view to reviewing them on here. I agreed to do so, pointing out that they would not be used on the track (Andy said although they are designed primarily for the track were great on road too) and that my review would be "warts 'n' all", regardless of the fact the pads were sent free.
My car is a 2001 WRX, modded to 301/290 with an Andy F Hybrid TD04 turbo and has braided hoses and Dot 5.1 brake fluid.
The previous pads were Pagid 4.2.1s (ie Blacks), so in all honesty I was expecting the EBCs to be a step down, noting that they are quite a bit cheaper. I'm pleased to say that this has proved not to be the case.
These pads have only been out since July 2010 and EBC reckon the fact they are "heat scorched" means that bed in time is minimal, ie they pretty much come "bedded in". Well, I thought that I'd put that to the test and within 5 miles of driving after fitting I went straight onto my favourite local twisty road, the "Lang Whang". EBC were right enough - the pads worked great from the off. What great stopping power! No issues from cold and good initial bite!
I took the car out for a second test along the Lang Whang today. Did enough testing to make my girlfriend say she quite literally felt sick (sorry lass!). Did two "emergency" stops from 70mph to 0mph. Suberb stopping. Didn't get any fade although note I can't vouch for track use.
So, as a summary, my views on EBC Bluestuff pads from July 2010 are:
overall stopping power - superb
fade - none on the road on my test
use when cold - good, don't appear to need warmed up
initial bite - good
brake dust - definately less than average for brakes of this calibre
I'd have to say that I prefer the new Bluestuff to the Pagids (which are also very good) - will be interested to hear the comments of others that have come from this standard of pads.
I had planned to try DS2500s when I finally get an 06 Sti, but now I think it may be getting Bluestuff intead!
Andy Mc
07 August 2010, 06:50 PM
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My mate is actually testing the redstuff pads, and im pretty sure he is just as shocked at the differance in braking performance from previous versions of the EBC pads!
07 August 2010, 08:22 PM
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I have the Bluestuff pads on my Spec C, AP Racing 6 pots on the front and gold Brembo 2 pots on the rear.
I also participated in the test group, the pads were fitted this week. I asked another SWS member to take my car out and "drive it like you stole it" as he would give them a real test.
He took the car out onto one of the best roads in the UK - the A4069 Black Mountains and gave them what for, his thread is below.
https://www.scoobynet.com/wales-26/8...-on-a4069.html
I also participated in the test group, the pads were fitted this week. I asked another SWS member to take my car out and "drive it like you stole it" as he would give them a real test.
He took the car out onto one of the best roads in the UK - the A4069 Black Mountains and gave them what for, his thread is below.
https://www.scoobynet.com/wales-26/8...-on-a4069.html
08 August 2010, 09:43 AM
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yip ive got them on mine, on my hawkeye wrx fitted with front bembos and standard 2pots,
ive done approx 2k since having these fitted with my discs from ian godney.i dont track my car but like to give it some when i get the chance to ,
good bite from cold,low dust,and when warmed up the work even better,
i will defo use these pads again and thanks to andy for the chance to try these mate
i now have confidence in my brakes and that aint a bad thing
ive done approx 2k since having these fitted with my discs from ian godney.i dont track my car but like to give it some when i get the chance to ,
good bite from cold,low dust,and when warmed up the work even better,
i will defo use these pads again and thanks to andy for the chance to try these mate
i now have confidence in my brakes and that aint a bad thing
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09 August 2010, 01:05 PM
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Yes I have fitted a set to my work car on friday along with grooved discs , and last week to my sons EVO 7 , and first impressions they seem very good , I have never had any confidence in the EBC pads ever since day one , they seemed to win award after award in the Max power type magazines , and I always wondered why , because I found them shockingly bad.
From what I can gather Andy has recently taken over EBC , and it seems as though they have got there act together and now make a pad worthy of there claims.
The cold bite seems very good , compared to the PF Z rated pads and Ferodo Ds2500's , both these pads seem to be the market leaders when it comes to performance pads , and both seem to need some heat in them before they are at there best , the Bluestuff pads work much better from the off.
Its early days in my car yet as I have only done about 50 miles on the discs , but so far they are very good , my son fitted them onto my 2 piece discs and bells on his EVO which are well bedded in , and I told him to go and give them death and see what they are like , and so far has failed to fade them ! he said they just keep going .
I am waiting for a price list on these for the Subaru ranges , and if the prices are competitive against the others mentioned above I can see I'm going to be selling quite a few sets of these.
So far a big thumbs up from me , and that's the first time I have ever done that with an EBC pad
Cheers Ian
From what I can gather Andy has recently taken over EBC , and it seems as though they have got there act together and now make a pad worthy of there claims.
The cold bite seems very good , compared to the PF Z rated pads and Ferodo Ds2500's , both these pads seem to be the market leaders when it comes to performance pads , and both seem to need some heat in them before they are at there best , the Bluestuff pads work much better from the off.
Its early days in my car yet as I have only done about 50 miles on the discs , but so far they are very good , my son fitted them onto my 2 piece discs and bells on his EVO which are well bedded in , and I told him to go and give them death and see what they are like , and so far has failed to fade them ! he said they just keep going .
I am waiting for a price list on these for the Subaru ranges , and if the prices are competitive against the others mentioned above I can see I'm going to be selling quite a few sets of these.
So far a big thumbs up from me , and that's the first time I have ever done that with an EBC pad
Cheers Ian
09 August 2010, 01:23 PM
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To be fair I did not rate the Pagid Blacks VERY expensive and didn't last very long with a small amount of track use
I wouldn't even suggest Pagid for Road use 
Brembo & DS2500 pads are far better
Most people I took out on Track were amazed how sure footed my cars braking was, even more so when i told them they were EBC pads 
Not sure if EBC Blues are a Step up or down from the EBC Yellow DM 1793
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09 August 2010, 07:09 PM
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Ian - cheers for your contribution - good to have a brake guru giving his thoughts !
You mentioned the DS2500s. How do you think the new Bluestuff rate against these, in particular re outright stopping power when warm?
You mentioned the DS2500s. How do you think the new Bluestuff rate against these, in particular re outright stopping power when warm?
11 September 2010, 02:25 PM
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We have the new EBC BlueStuff compound fitted to the our modified Porsche 911 Turbo and will have a full review up shortly of these compared to the previous pads which were Pagid RS19s.
Available online, in stock and ready for delivery at unbeatable prices.
Other models of car also available, just call (01462 488244) or email aztecperformance@gmail.com
Available online, in stock and ready for delivery at unbeatable prices.
Other models of car also available, just call (01462 488244) or email aztecperformance@gmail.com
11 September 2010, 02:52 PM
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What you using at the moment?
Happy to send you a set out to try, if you like them and want to keep them just pay for them if you don't, just send them back. Can't say fairer than that.
Ultimately, at the level you are at with your car you could really benefit from fitting Brembo calipers or better still some AP 6 Pots.
Happy to send you a set out to try, if you like them and want to keep them just pay for them if you don't, just send them back. Can't say fairer than that.
Ultimately, at the level you are at with your car you could really benefit from fitting Brembo calipers or better still some AP 6 Pots.
11 September 2010, 02:52 PM
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What you using at the moment?
Happy to send you a set out to try, if you like them and want to keep them just pay for them if you don't, just send them back. Can't say fairer than that.
Ultimately, at the level you are at with your car you could really benefit from fitting Brembo calipers or better still some AP 6 Pots.
Happy to send you a set out to try, if you like them and want to keep them just pay for them if you don't, just send them back. Can't say fairer than that.
Ultimately, at the level you are at with your car you could really benefit from fitting Brembo calipers or better still some AP 6 Pots.
11 September 2010, 02:55 PM
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What you using at the moment?
Happy to send you a set out to try, if you like them and want to keep them just pay for them if you don't, just send them back. Can't say fairer than that.
Ultimately, at the level you are at with your car you could really benefit from fitting Brembo calipers or better still some AP 6 Pots.
Happy to send you a set out to try, if you like them and want to keep them just pay for them if you don't, just send them back. Can't say fairer than that.
Ultimately, at the level you are at with your car you could really benefit from fitting Brembo calipers or better still some AP 6 Pots.
i could benefit from bigger brakes but atm i cant fault the 4pots with good pads they do the job nicely
darc
11 September 2010, 05:05 PM
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A different type of pad. If you aren't getting the Kevlar ones to fade, I would stick to them.
There will never be one pad that suits all applications, our Kevlar ones work great for normal to fast road use. Bluestuff are more fast road to track.
There are always compromises when it comes to pads imho.
There will never be one pad that suits all applications, our Kevlar ones work great for normal to fast road use. Bluestuff are more fast road to track.
There are always compromises when it comes to pads imho.
11 September 2010, 05:05 PM
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A different type of pad. If you aren't getting the Kevlar ones to fade, I would stick to them.
There will never be one pad that suits all applications, our Kevlar ones work great for normal to fast road use. Bluestuff are more fast road to track.
There are always compromises when it comes to pads imho.
There will never be one pad that suits all applications, our Kevlar ones work great for normal to fast road use. Bluestuff are more fast road to track.
There are always compromises when it comes to pads imho.
11 September 2010, 06:14 PM
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A different type of pad. If you aren't getting the Kevlar ones to fade, I would stick to them.
There will never be one pad that suits all applications, our Kevlar ones work great for normal to fast road use. Bluestuff are more fast road to track.
There are always compromises when it comes to pads imho.
There will never be one pad that suits all applications, our Kevlar ones work great for normal to fast road use. Bluestuff are more fast road to track.
There are always compromises when it comes to pads imho.
Darc
13 September 2010, 11:14 AM
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Bluestuff pads will fit the bill nicely, you may lose a little initial cold bite of the Kevlar pads, but you won't get them to fade.
Prices can be found here
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14 September 2010, 07:17 PM
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Andy, could I ask how much material thickness was left on the Pagid pads when you took them out to compare with the EBC? Were they in as new condition, or old/worn?