thanks to mneame, i've posted above incase anyone else wants it, I hear what you are saying Davey, but if they are anything like the Honda garage I went to, if anything it will stop them denying any damage if they do it? 99 times out of 100 garages give your car back as you gave it to them, i've been on the end of it when they don't and the ******* stood there and lied to my face and there was very little i could do to prove otherwise?