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EBC Brakes new generation disc pad materials tests and reviews
Hi Guys, this is Andy Freeman the owner of EBC Brakes starting a new thread.
This is the place for you all to kindly place comments after the dozens or reports start coming in from the tests on new generation materials which are for these grades only ( over 60 drivers have been included in this test in the UK alone)
Redstuff fast street (not a race or trackday pad ) - code AF88/26 on box end (base code E 388) Street legal to R90 regulations
Yellowstuff fast street and trackday - code AF93/94 on box end
(base code DM 1793) Street legal to R 90 regulations
Greenstuff - Fast street lighter cars - AF44/35 on box end
(base code E 344) Street Legal to R 90 regulations
Green is not an Impreza material but has been commented on amongst this forum and therefore numerous drivers of other cars including models like Legacy and Forester may wish to add their comments here
New Bluestuff NDX Fastest Street,trackday and full race any car - AF66/16SC on box end, SC stands for SCORCHED or pre bedded.
(Base code is DM 2116 SC which followed 2081,2084 and 2088)
Subaru and EVO pads may be street legal in Bluestuff shortly, meanwhile this grade is "Officially " for track use only although its bite from cold is fantastic and makes it perfectly safe for street use, just TOO good to pass the (friction limiting) R 90 regulations which is nuts but its the law in Europe (USA Canada and rest of the world just use them and enjoy)
PLEASE GUYS
If you want to have a moan about OLD EBC material purchased before 2010 do this somewhere else, this is to help all EBC customers know what to expect from the LATEST materials. If you are of course in this test to compare what you used before to these latest materials, thats fine
EBC Brakes is proud of its many significant improvements made over recent months and years and wants to highlight to drivers just how good the latest materials are.
We want you to be aware of how good the EBC products are now as their price and advantages such as low rotor damage,durability and VALUE FOR MONEY beat a lot of our competitors hands down.
EBC Brakes is a paid up advertiser on scoobynet and is therefore justifed to start this thread
i have my blue pads waiting to go in,just got to wear out the redstuff pads that are in their now and try the blues!
have been impressed with the reds so far though,good inital bite i find and seem to get better as they get warmer!
will post up when i have the blues fitted and let you know what i think!!
Location: 478Bhp, 538lbs and a straight cut PPG to keep me happy
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Fitted the full set of blues on Saturday to my car.
The Car is far from standard and gets driven how it should be. I have the Scoobyclinic 330mm 6 pot setup on the front and newage brembo 315mm two pots on the rear.
Pads arrived on friday as promised even though they were custom pad shape for the front due to the scoobyclinic caliper. A breeze to fit. I didn't need to clean anything, just out the box and pushed straight in. It took me longer to jack the car up and take the wheels off. Job done in less than 30 minutes for all four
The old pads still had plenty of meat left on them, approx 9mm on the front and 7mm on the rears, These were Mintex 1144 on the front and OEM Brembo on the rear.
These worked well both from cold and when hot. And had a good balance overall even though the rears would squeal a little.
After fitting the new pads, I took the car for a little drive that turned into 75 mile round trip!! A mix of country roads, two short stretches of dual carraige way and little bit of driving round the supermarket car park.
I live in west wales, just on the edge of the cambrian mountains and enjoy alot of the roads you see in the magazines or on top gear/5th gear etc. So you can imagine they got a good workout.
First impressions were that they worked miles better than the previous setup, even after just a short trip. The cold bite was supurb along the lines of OEM. They were very quiet, not a hint of squeal/pad chop and seemed to cope very well when I was pushing on. The brake dust on the wheels seems to be about the same as the last setup.
I will update this in a month to give further feedback. Off to Santa Pod in three weeks for USC with a few other welsh members where the car will get a workout on the way up and a few runs down the strip.
Andy, I'll sort some photos out shortly and get these emailed over to you
Would each of you please e mail me on andy@ebcbrakes.com and say WHAT NAME - scooby sign on or what you prefer you wish to be known as when I publish this list, its 29 people long now and I intend to summarise feedback on a table and place it on this site for people.
I have also mounted a front and rear set of bluestuff on my Sti Type R, but this was just yesterday,and have only had the time to run around 50km, but the pads are allready got high grip levels, even thourgh im sure that the pads are not fully bedded in yet.
I´m going on a 10day Nürburgring trip on the 31th july , were i will give them a probber race test, with hoppefully low 8min/high 7min BTG times.
But for now i´m really impressed with the fast bed in , and allready high grip
will make a another report when fully bedded in, with road manners, but so fare high grip, so no problem using it as a road pad
i recieved my new bluestuff pads for my hawkeye wrx which is fitted with brembos,
the pads were fitted a 10 days ago and these are my thoughts,
after fitting i had a quick drive around town for 20mins and then a good blast on the motorway i found them to be much better as stopping than the kevlar pads,
they work like OEM pads with no squeal when cold but have good bite, once warmed up they work even better, have gave them a gd few emergency stops and they worked really well and stopped the car extremely quickly,
i dont track my car but do like a spirited drive and have now been drivng with them for 10 days now and have no problems and find the pads work great and would buy them again once these get low.
as for brake dust,its minimum so not a problem like other pads,
I received my full set of Yellow Stuff from EBC yesterday, thanks again.
Will be looking to fit these ASAP as my car's due in the shop for servicing soon. Can't wait to try them out. Will post pics and reviews in due course.
Denmark, I notice you've given the new Blues a fairly decent review already. Out of curiosity have you (or anybody else) ever used the Yellow Stuff before testing these blues? If so how does the Bluestuff compare to them? Just looking for something of a comparison.
Andy... I've been noticing that the Blue is described as they highest friction of any street pad out there. Can you give some insight as to how this differs from the yellow stuff in terms of initial bite, cold bite etc? And possibly which you would recommend more on a fast street driven car.
I'm asking because I have a few friends that are also interested in trying the blue or yellow pads on their imprezas but are unsure as to what to get. And after reading more about the new blue and a few of the comments above I'm unsure as to what to advise.
In my experience Blue has 15-20% more cold bite than yellow, its almost too sharp and makes you feel almost sick in repeated heavy decels, any passenger will find the decels uncomfortable .
Yellow is a great street pad and will out sell Blue 50 to 1 because it is European street legal and more sensible, a true fast sport pad.
Bluestuff can kick in your ABS early too and make some groan noises at heavy pedal and 70-90mph as it works the whole car so hard under heavy braking,
I have used almost any pad that´s on the market for the 4pot impreza caliper,
mintex 1144,1155, carbonelorraine, DS2500
and have used both greenstuff, redstuff and yellowstuff before,
but the problem is that its some years ago, and the compound is not the same anymore, so cant really compare.
I had just payed for a set of PF z-rated for my front Brembo, and a set of yellowstuff for the rear, as they had gotten good reviews, when EBC wanted some review on the Bluestuff pad,
So did not try this setup.
I had on my way home from work worked the brakes a bit harder today, and the griplevel is going up for sure,
the reardisc on my Type R is the early type, that is not eacy avalible, so had to use the ones allready there( there is a fear lip), so it will take a will for the rear to bed in,
When i lock the diff under braking, to transfer som more to the rear, there is a huge improvment over the oe brembo pads ,and standard rear pad.
and yes the are better when abit more heat is into the pads.
I had a few 160km/t to 60km/t braking sessions today, and they are really great, and look forward to the "real" test at the ring
I have told our casting foundry to make this hard to find rear Subaru disc and will hopefully have some good news for you all soon so you dont ripped off any more even if I have to machine them from solid.
Just so you know we cast 95% of all the discs we sell in Europe in the South of the UK and machine them all in the UK.
Here is a corporate video showing our factory, the latter part shows how our discs are made.
The fronts are our DP 5042 and if the rears are located with two pins and are standard Scooby rear they are our DP 5826, is that what the rears look like ????
The fronts are our DP 5042 and if the rears are located with two pins and are standard Scooby rear they are our DP 5826, is that what the rears look like ????
Cheers Andy
That's it, they are the standard Brembo gold STi calipers.
I was just looking around on the forums and found a few threads with EBC brakes. I am using EBC Red Stuff on my classic WRX Type RA with STi Brembos in the front and stock brakes in the back.
I have to admit that I don't always feel confident braking into a corner with them. From cold it feels like there's almost no brakes and when hot they feel ok, not the best but they more or less get the job done. In general I feel that they could be better, and where I live we have twisty roads with short straights that require fast acceleration and very good braking.
Is it too late to be included in this test? I would be willing to try a set of the new blues and give feedback if it's not. Hopefully they are better than the reds I currently use.
EBC Brakes new generation disc pad materials tests and reviews
" for track use only although its bite from cold is fantastic and makes it perfectly safe for street use, just TOO good to pass the (friction limiting) R 90 regulations which is nuts but its the law in Europe (USA Canada and rest of the world just use them and enjoy)
